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Ron Rivera is a great coach, but beyond that a great man.  The panthers have always had a solid culture, he made us relevant.  It was probably his time to go but I sure will miss him, you never heard much locker room noise or any mishaps from our players, everything kept in house and we weren’t slouches to play against either.

Whoever gets him will be lucky, and the players will be over joyed to buy into his system.  Wish him nothing but the best, and I’m interested to see where we go from here.

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Mason Rudolph was the whiny punk who started it all. Joke he isnt being punished.

 Joke is Garrett tried to use race. He’s a bitch for that

 The other part of the irony is that Josina Anderson broke this latest story, after mistakenly tweeting out right after the incident that she assumes Rudolph used a racial slur before quickly deleting it lol.

Tried to save face all around it seems. 

Smells like Jussie Smollet in here 👀.

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I'd be livid if I was on or cheered for Carolina. That call was horrendous.

 Don’t worry, I’m pretty pissed off.  As they flip momentum on our D and now march to score when they should have punted from their end zone.

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Yup, definitely, the NFL wants Patriots vs Packers where every incompletion or sack will be overturned by the refs to ensure Brady and Rodgers look great.

 Facts, especially after the debacle that was a super bowl last year.

That being said tho Drew Brees > Rodgers 

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Does anyone have an argument for Watson over CMC at the moment? 

 

I dont really see that one, but Wilson for sure. 

 part of it is qb bias. It takes someone extreme to jump over a qb for an mvp award.

 

Cmc has disappeared twice this season, strangely both times against the bucs. I mean 22 for 31 is a brutal Stat. and, say what you will, but if cam was still qb but injured no matter cmc's stats the Panthers wouldn't be winning like they are.

 

Watson didn't do great against the Panthers, which may Be why you don't see as much why he deserves mention. I watched him twice, against the saints and the chiefs. Both times he played out of his mind. As a qb he is the leader. He is a primary reason for their wins. Switch other players like running back/etc  and he'd still be doing great.

 

Cmc is in the running. Absolutely. Wilson is the clear leader. Perspective on the next ones in the running. But for cmc to win the award he'd have to set records or have a historic season. 

Its not that strange he struggled against the Bucs, they have the number 1 run defense by rushing yards, YPC, and DVOA. 

Now, I do think CMC is still having a historic season; his 16 game pace is 2461 yards from scrimmage, 24 TDs and 483 PPR fantasy points, the most ever. It's a historic season and its a bit more historic than Wilson's or Mahomes' or Watson's.

 

The argument against CMC, however, is even simpler. He's a RB. The best RB will never be better than the best QB in 2019, and it has been that way for a very long time. All the RBs that recently won MVP were not more valuable than the best QB in that season. 2012 AP wasn't. 2006 LT wasn't. 2005 Shaun Alexander definitely wasn't. CMC is carrying a Panthers offense, but that offense is middling at best. Russell Wilson is playing with a terrible offensive line, a senile and inept coaching staff, and has lead his team to the most offensive touchdowns. He's easily the most valuable player this year. 

 Again, how can you just give Wilson such leeway.  His schedule has been really easy thus far, and he hasn’t had to rescheme because he lost his starting QB or even a WR lol.  I would say their coaching staffs are comparable, minus the fact ours has never won a super bowl.  We are also currently on our 3rd LT, and second RG while leading the league in rushing but those never come up in these debates just how bad the lines are for Wilson/Watson.

 

CMC account’s for 50% of our touchdowns and nearly 50% of our total offensive yards and we are currently trending up going 4-0 without and injured Qb. 

 

 The loss of Cam Newton has been addition by subtraction. Can't use that here. It's not like going from Brees to Bridgewater.  Kyle Allen is playing better than Cam Has since that 6-2 run early last season. And schedule? Not like the Panthers have played a murderer's row over this 4-0 run (other than Houston). Cardinals, Bucs, Jags?  Like Watson, Wilson (and even more so) has been outstanding, doing it all, running, passing. Think of Cam 2015. But even more accurate.  They're 5-1 and if not for a special teams and defensive TD each by the Saints, they'd be 6-0. That can't be overstated.

 

I mean, I like the Panthers, and despite them being in the division I like to see them do well (I call it the Sam Mills affect). I like them way better than the Seahawks. But I can respect the hell out of what Wilson has been doing this year.

 It’s turned out to be an addition, but since the loss of cam CMC has seen an increase in touches, defenses know we are giving him the rock, and we have gone undefeated.

 

Watson isn’t even in the debate if you ask me at the moment, your 2 dud game argument against Cmc falls worse on Watson.  Wilson deserves it, but I believe him and cmc are currently neck and neck when you take away the bias of Qb.  I’m not thinking of Cam 2015 because he was undefeated and was the best QB on the best team, this isn’t the case for anyone in the run.

 

Id also argue the Texans, Jags, and even the Bucs are better teams then Bengals, Steelers, Browns and even the rams without Gurley. 

 The first two games, without Cam, he averaged 23.5 touches, 29 then 18.  Afterwards, 28.75 for the four games. It's been a slight increase, but nothing insane. This is much because of the Texans game outlier (37 touches that game, which still only generated 16 points). But, balance is key. You say that teams know he is getting the ball, but Kyle Allen has been very efficient. For the season averaging 65.6%, 225 yards per game, 7 tds and no interceptions. To the point that Curtis Samuel is considered a strong fantasy play (I'm happy I have him in a couple leagues!).

 

I already gave you the Texans as a quality win, but Jags and Bucs? Not so much. Seahawks haven't been much better with their strength of schedule, but I look at the loss they have, against the Saints, as a quality loss (Near win). 

 

 Well, I mean, again the Bucs have the number 1 run defense, and your comparing a running back going against them (his only to low yardage games, still scored 12 points) to a Qb going against some of the weakest defenses in the league so far 😂.  But sure.

Kyle Allen is efficient... because of Cmc, the burden isnt 100% on his shoulders and has the ultimate check down machine, to the point he can average 225 yards per game and be undefeated in 2019 lol.

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Does anyone have an argument for Watson over CMC at the moment? 

 

I dont really see that one, but Wilson for sure. 

 part of it is qb bias. It takes someone extreme to jump over a qb for an mvp award.

 

Cmc has disappeared twice this season, strangely both times against the bucs. I mean 22 for 31 is a brutal Stat. and, say what you will, but if cam was still qb but injured no matter cmc's stats the Panthers wouldn't be winning like they are.

 

Watson didn't do great against the Panthers, which may Be why you don't see as much why he deserves mention. I watched him twice, against the saints and the chiefs. Both times he played out of his mind. As a qb he is the leader. He is a primary reason for their wins. Switch other players like running back/etc  and he'd still be doing great.

 

Cmc is in the running. Absolutely. Wilson is the clear leader. Perspective on the next ones in the running. But for cmc to win the award he'd have to set records or have a historic season. 

Its not that strange he struggled against the Bucs, they have the number 1 run defense by rushing yards, YPC, and DVOA. 

Now, I do think CMC is still having a historic season; his 16 game pace is 2461 yards from scrimmage, 24 TDs and 483 PPR fantasy points, the most ever. It's a historic season and its a bit more historic than Wilson's or Mahomes' or Watson's.

 

The argument against CMC, however, is even simpler. He's a RB. The best RB will never be better than the best QB in 2019, and it has been that way for a very long time. All the RBs that recently won MVP were not more valuable than the best QB in that season. 2012 AP wasn't. 2006 LT wasn't. 2005 Shaun Alexander definitely wasn't. CMC is carrying a Panthers offense, but that offense is middling at best. Russell Wilson is playing with a terrible offensive line, a senile and inept coaching staff, and has lead his team to the most offensive touchdowns. He's easily the most valuable player this year. 

 Again, how can you just give Wilson such leeway.  His schedule has been really easy thus far, and he hasn’t had to rescheme because he lost his starting QB or even a WR lol.  I would say their coaching staffs are comparable, minus the fact ours has never won a super bowl.  We are also currently on our 3rd LT, and second RG while leading the league in rushing but those never come up in these debates just how bad the lines are for Wilson/Watson.

 

CMC account’s for 50% of our touchdowns and nearly 50% of our total offensive yards and we are currently trending up going 4-0 without and injured Qb. 

 

I'm really not trying to argue which player has been more better, or who has dealt with more injuries. The best QB is always more valuable than the best RB. Period. There's no debate, no ifs, no buts, no else. Yes, its a QB award, and its going to be like that as long as it is called "MVP".

 If that’s the case then I don’t get why your not arguing for Brady or Jimmy G?

Best Qb on the best team is obviously the mvp year in and year out.  Or is it more so which player is most valuable to their own team’s success?  Because Cmc is more valuable then a Qb for us at the moment.

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Does anyone have an argument for Watson over CMC at the moment? 

 

I dont really see that one, but Wilson for sure. 

 part of it is qb bias. It takes someone extreme to jump over a qb for an mvp award.

 

Cmc has disappeared twice this season, strangely both times against the bucs. I mean 22 for 31 is a brutal Stat. and, say what you will, but if cam was still qb but injured no matter cmc's stats the Panthers wouldn't be winning like they are.

 

Watson didn't do great against the Panthers, which may Be why you don't see as much why he deserves mention. I watched him twice, against the saints and the chiefs. Both times he played out of his mind. As a qb he is the leader. He is a primary reason for their wins. Switch other players like running back/etc  and he'd still be doing great.

 

Cmc is in the running. Absolutely. Wilson is the clear leader. Perspective on the next ones in the running. But for cmc to win the award he'd have to set records or have a historic season. 

Its not that strange he struggled against the Bucs, they have the number 1 run defense by rushing yards, YPC, and DVOA. 

Now, I do think CMC is still having a historic season; his 16 game pace is 2461 yards from scrimmage, 24 TDs and 483 PPR fantasy points, the most ever. It's a historic season and its a bit more historic than Wilson's or Mahomes' or Watson's.

 

The argument against CMC, however, is even simpler. He's a RB. The best RB will never be better than the best QB in 2019, and it has been that way for a very long time. All the RBs that recently won MVP were not more valuable than the best QB in that season. 2012 AP wasn't. 2006 LT wasn't. 2005 Shaun Alexander definitely wasn't. CMC is carrying a Panthers offense, but that offense is middling at best. Russell Wilson is playing with a terrible offensive line, a senile and inept coaching staff, and has lead his team to the most offensive touchdowns. He's easily the most valuable player this year. 

 Again, how can you just give Wilson such leeway.  His schedule has been really easy thus far, and he hasn’t had to rescheme because he lost his starting QB or even a WR lol.  I would say their coaching staffs are comparable, minus the fact ours has never won a super bowl.  We are also currently on our 3rd LT, and second RG while leading the league in rushing but those never come up in these debates just how bad the lines are for Wilson/Watson.

 

CMC account’s for 50% of our touchdowns and nearly 50% of our total offensive yards and we are currently trending up going 4-0 without and injured Qb. 

 

 The loss of Cam Newton has been addition by subtraction. Can't use that here. It's not like going from Brees to Bridgewater.  Kyle Allen is playing better than Cam Has since that 6-2 run early last season. And schedule? Not like the Panthers have played a murderer's row over this 4-0 run (other than Houston). Cardinals, Bucs, Jags?  Like Watson, Wilson (and even more so) has been outstanding, doing it all, running, passing. Think of Cam 2015. But even more accurate.  They're 5-1 and if not for a special teams and defensive TD each by the Saints, they'd be 6-0. That can't be overstated.

 

I mean, I like the Panthers, and despite them being in the division I like to see them do well (I call it the Sam Mills affect). I like them way better than the Seahawks. But I can respect the hell out of what Wilson has been doing this year.

 It’s turned out to be an addition, but since the loss of cam CMC has seen an increase in touches, defenses know we are giving him the rock, and we have gone undefeated.

Watson isn’t even in the debate if you ask me at the moment, your 2 dud game argument against Cmc falls worse on Watson.  Wilson deserves it, but I believe him and cmc are currently neck and neck when you take away the bias of Qb.  I’m not thinking of Cam 2015 because he was undefeated and was the best QB on the best team, this isn’t the case for anyone in the run.

Id also argue the Texans, Jags, and even the Bucs are better teams then Bengals, Steelers, Browns and even the rams without Gurley. 

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Does anyone have an argument for Watson over CMC at the moment? 

 

I dont really see that one, but Wilson for sure. 

 part of it is qb bias. It takes someone extreme to jump over a qb for an mvp award.

 

Cmc has disappeared twice this season, strangely both times against the bucs. I mean 22 for 31 is a brutal Stat. and, say what you will, but if cam was still qb but injured no matter cmc's stats the Panthers wouldn't be winning like they are.

 

Watson didn't do great against the Panthers, which may Be why you don't see as much why he deserves mention. I watched him twice, against the saints and the chiefs. Both times he played out of his mind. As a qb he is the leader. He is a primary reason for their wins. Switch other players like running back/etc  and he'd still be doing great.

 

Cmc is in the running. Absolutely. Wilson is the clear leader. Perspective on the next ones in the running. But for cmc to win the award he'd have to set records or have a historic season. 

Its not that strange he struggled against the Bucs, they have the number 1 run defense by rushing yards, YPC, and DVOA. 

Now, I do think CMC is still having a historic season; his 16 game pace is 2461 yards from scrimmage, 24 TDs and 483 PPR fantasy points, the most ever. It's a historic season and its a bit more historic than Wilson's or Mahomes' or Watson's.

 

The argument against CMC, however, is even simpler. He's a RB. The best RB will never be better than the best QB in 2019, and it has been that way for a very long time. All the RBs that recently won MVP were not more valuable than the best QB in that season. 2012 AP wasn't. 2006 LT wasn't. 2005 Shaun Alexander definitely wasn't. CMC is carrying a Panthers offense, but that offense is middling at best. Russell Wilson is playing with a terrible offensive line, a senile and inept coaching staff, and has lead his team to the most offensive touchdowns. He's easily the most valuable player this year. 

 Again, how can you just give Wilson such leeway.  His schedule has been really easy thus far, and he hasn’t had to rescheme because he lost his starting QB or even a WR lol.  I would say their coaching staffs are comparable, minus the fact ours has never won a super bowl.  We are also currently on our 3rd LT, and second RG while leading the league in rushing but those never come up in these debates just how bad the lines are for Wilson/Watson.

CMC account’s for 50% of our touchdowns and nearly 50% of our total offensive yards and we are currently trending up going 4-0 without and injured Qb. 

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Does anyone have an argument for Watson over CMC at the moment? 

 

I dont really see that one, but Wilson for sure. 

 part of it is qb bias. It takes someone extreme to jump over a qb for an mvp award.

 

Cmc has disappeared twice this season, strangely both times against the bucs. I mean 22 for 31 is a brutal Stat. and, say what you will, but if cam was still qb but injured no matter cmc's stats the Panthers wouldn't be winning like they are.

 

Watson didn't do great against the Panthers, which may Be why you don't see as much why he deserves mention. I watched him twice, against the saints and the chiefs. Both times he played out of his mind. As a qb he is the leader. He is a primary reason for their wins. Switch other players like running back/etc  and he'd still be doing great.

 

Cmc is in the running. Absolutely. Wilson is the clear leader. Perspective on the next ones in the running. But for cmc to win the award he'd have to set records or have a historic season. 

 CMC on 33 yards still had 2 TDs. He IS that team. He's right there with Russ for MVP right now and rightfully so.

 if so, they would've won the first two games with cam. But it took a qb change for them to win. Is cmc even the mvp of his own team?

 

People are so quick to want a different position, like aaron donald or jj watt. But it's a qb award unless a rb is historic. And while cmc has been great most of the time. It's not historic. Though his dreadful stats against Tampa are indeed historically bad.

 

Yes because league MVPs go undefeated every year and win every single game. We have years of historical data to support that.

 

I want the best person to win. Regardless of position. I just can't sit here and say that CMC doesn't deserve recognition for being the majority of the impact and offense for his team during their season so far. How is that any different than a QB orchestrating a great offense that leads to their team winning a lot of games?

 

I understand that a HB would have to break records to be considered, but it should NOT be that way.. and if we were to base the MVP award on merit regardless of the position they play, I feel like CMC deserves the recognition he's getting right now. 

Without paying too much attention to the silly eyeroll argument (I'm comparing the fact that CMC played the same before and after Kyle Allen came in, and didn't necessarily lead to wins).

 

Does he deserve recognition? Sure. But, let's face it: The Panthers played the Bucs twice. One win, one loss. CMC played the same both times (poorly).  The difference in the win? A Quarterback. The way the league is now, with the rules in place, etc., it leads to QB's having the best most impact on their teams, and they tend to be the MVP's when wins are happening.  

 Cmc played the Bucs 2 times and scored twice.

Watson, a QB, playing the jags and panthers, only scored twice.

I don’t get this dud game nonsense lol especially when giving Watson a pass.  We lost our QB and relied heavily on the run, teams know that and still cant stop it (except the Bucs, who have been good at run defense all year).  

In the first 2 games of the season with cam, Cmc touched the ball 47 times, 18 in the first Bucs game.  In the first 2 games with Kyle Allen CMC touched the ball 64 times and people can’t stop us.

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Does anyone have an argument for Watson over CMC at the moment? 

 

I dont really see that one, but Wilson for sure. 

 part of it is qb bias. It takes someone extreme to jump over a qb for an mvp award.

 

Cmc has disappeared twice this season, strangely both times against the bucs. I mean 22 for 31 is a brutal Stat. and, say what you will, but if cam was still qb but injured no matter cmc's stats the Panthers wouldn't be winning like they are.

 

Watson didn't do great against the Panthers, which may Be why you don't see as much why he deserves mention. I watched him twice, against the saints and the chiefs. Both times he played out of his mind. As a qb he is the leader. He is a primary reason for their wins. Switch other players like running back/etc  and he'd still be doing great.

 

Cmc is in the running. Absolutely. Wilson is the clear leader. Perspective on the next ones in the running. But for cmc to win the award he'd have to set records or have a historic season. 

 CMC on 33 yards still had 2 TDs. He IS that team. He's right there with Russ for MVP right now and rightfully so.

 if so, they would've won the first two games with cam. But it took a qb change for them to win. Is cmc even the mvp of his own team?

 

People are so quick to want a different position, like aaron donald or jj watt. But it's a qb award unless a rb is historic. And while cmc has been great most of the time. It's not historic. Though his dreadful stats against Tampa are indeed historically bad.

 

 We lost cam and started to lean heavily on CMC, hence the 4-0.  Unless you think Kyle Allen deserves MVP.

Watson has posted 2 duds like Cmc, the jags and panthers and hasn’t suffered any injuries (like losing your Qb lol), and cmc still found the endzone twice this week.   Wilson’s schedule has been weak other than the Saints / Texans.  

Does anyone have an argument for Watson over CMC at the moment? 

I dont really see that one, but Wilson for sure. 

Week 6 in the books after tonight’s Monday night game and the mvp talk is heating up, as a panther fan I’m hoping we can keep Cmc in the running, having a non QB winning it would be amazing, huge Wilson fan as well tho, and he deserves anything life brings his way.

So... who’s taking it? 

Christian McCaffery 

Russell Wilson

Patrick Mahomes

Jimmy G

Tom Brady 😒

Or anyone else you think should be in the mix and why? 

The Carolina Panthers would be undefeated had we benched cam from the start of the year and let him heal.

Does us good to continue to be underdogs tho, interested to see what happens after our bye week.  San Fran, Titans, and Green Bay are our first 3 games back, wondering if cam comes back after the bye or not.

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