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    I feel like the Defenders are going to win the league pretty easily, mainly because most of the other team's QB's suck. But we'll see how Landry Jones does today, who I believe has the most NFL experience of any of them.

     Josh Johnson. Johnson was also the #1 pick.

     Ah, right. I forgot about him. The Wildcats as a whole do not look very good though.

     I gotta disagree with that. They took Johnson with the first pick and then built the entire team around him. So when hes out the offense is gonna struggle. When he comes back I expect them to look much different. If they dont look better, oof.

     Oh for sure. I don't like the defense either though. They got decked by the Roughnecks in their first game, tying for the biggest loss of the weekend. But one game is never enough to determine whether a team is good or not. Time will tell.

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    This song from my childhood started playing in my head during all this, and I had to go and find it. Never even knew it was sung by Meryl Streep.

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    I still don't think people are understanding my points. This chat is definitely a clique, but man, I just must not talk like I think I do on here. I have conversations with friends, family and coworkers about this stuff nearly every day and it's way, way smoother. Friendly arguments, nothing beyond that. I don't want y'all to hate me, granted, I also don't care too much. The contrast just confuses the crap out of me.

     You're in a bubble when you talk to friends and family. When you're talking to other fans, who are pretty darn knowledgeable on football, they arent gonna keep you in a bubble.

     

    We do tet your point. We just think it's a very poor one.

     Not in a bubble, definitely not in a bubble. Fans of many different teams, different walks of life, I've got family and friends that live all across the country and world. Never had a problem with any of them, and many are very knowledgeable. Heck, I have one coworker who I'm pretty sure has read every football autobiography there is. I think the difference is there's no face to face and no verbal communication. When you're behind a screen and not physically hearing someone, the whole aura of the conversation changes. Now it's clear as day that this chat is a clique that refuses to accept anyone who dare disagrees with the majority of their opinions. But that's not really the issue here. The issue is that consistently people don't understand what I'm trying to get across. It happened with Williams, it happened with Brady, it's happening now. And it's annoying. So sorry to break down the 4th wall here of sorts, talking about the atmosphere of the chat, but that's just my thoughts on the matter. It gets annoying quick when people don't seem to understand what I'm trying to say, whether that's my fault or not, and annoyance only escalates things to a higher degree.

     

    Against my better judgement, I'm going to try this one more time.

     

    I don't think Dak deserves more than 33 mil. I understand that it's perfectly reasonable for him to ask for more than that, because that's the way the business works. But I don't think he's worth that much, in terms of value. Just like Cousins and all the other overpaid players. To me, if someone asks for more money than they are worth, even though it makes sense to do it because of the system, it's greedy. I know I'm being picky, but I think that players simply have way too much control these days. It's like an employee asking for a new salary from their employer, because they worked harder and did more than what their current salary represents. Now, asking for more because you deserve it is perfectly okay, in most instances. Asking for more than the value of work you put out on the other hand, then refusing to work unless you get that amount, is stupid and will likely get you fired. That's dumb. Unfortunately, the NFL doesn't work like most business do in that aspect. And that's exactly my problem, the employees have way too much control. 

     I'll let someone else deal with your comments on this thread.

     

    Most businesses also aren't set up so they can ship their employees halfway around the country without their permission at a moment's notice. I have no sympathy for the teams here. They've been doing what's purely in their best interests forever even if it screws over the players. Now when the player have more control that's terrible?

     Yeah that’s a stupid way to look at it haha. He’s only upset because the more Dak gets, the more Mahomes gets and the Chiefs will have to be gutted 

     Not at all. But I do understand bowlers point, that definitely makes me think about things in a different light.

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    I still don't think people are understanding my points. This chat is definitely a clique, but man, I just must not talk like I think I do on here. I have conversations with friends, family and coworkers about this stuff nearly every day and it's way, way smoother. Friendly arguments, nothing beyond that. I don't want y'all to hate me, granted, I also don't care too much. The contrast just confuses the crap out of me.

     Your point is you don't think Dak deserves top of the market money because he's not as good as the other QBs at the top, and he shouldn't ask for more than what he deserves based on where he would rank on talent alone.

     

    Everyone else's point is Dak should get as much as he can, regardless of whether he's actually better than the QBs he'd be getting paid as much as or more than.  Nobody's disagreeing that Dak isn't as good as Mahomes or some other guys he'd be paid like, but we're able to separate our opinion on his talent and our opinions on his contract negotiations because they don't have to align.

     

    You say you understand the business side of it, but then want to judge Dak for making the best business decision for himself.  

     See, no, this is exactly it. That's not what people are getting. I agree with the idea that Dak should get as much as he can, because that's the way the NFL business works. I just don't agree with the fact that it works like that, and therefore I disprove whenever I see an example of it. It's less about Dak doing it and more the fact that he is given the ability to. But in a perfect world, where no one is egotistical, he'd take what he's worth. 

     

    Bottom line: I disprove of Dak having the ability to get more than 33 mil, and wish the league hadn't spiraled down to where overpaying players because they demand it is the norm.

     

    Just forget it if nothing else. I just want to move on.

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    I still don't think people are understanding my points. This chat is definitely a clique, but man, I just must not talk like I think I do on here. I have conversations with friends, family and coworkers about this stuff nearly every day and it's way, way smoother. Friendly arguments, nothing beyond that. I don't want y'all to hate me, granted, I also don't care too much. The contrast just confuses the crap out of me.

     You're in a bubble when you talk to friends and family. When you're talking to other fans, who are pretty darn knowledgeable on football, they arent gonna keep you in a bubble.

     

    We do tet your point. We just think it's a very poor one.

     Not in a bubble, definitely not in a bubble. Fans of many different teams, different walks of life, I've got family and friends that live all across the country and world. Never had a problem with any of them, and many are very knowledgeable. Heck, I have one coworker who I'm pretty sure has read every football autobiography there is. I think the difference is there's no face to face and no verbal communication. When you're behind a screen and not physically hearing someone, the whole aura of the conversation changes. Now it's clear as day that this chat is a clique that refuses to accept anyone who dare disagrees with the majority of their opinions. But that's not really the issue here. The issue is that consistently people don't understand what I'm trying to get across. It happened with Williams, it happened with Brady, it's happening now. And it's annoying. So sorry to break down the 4th wall here of sorts, talking about the atmosphere of the chat, but that's just my thoughts on the matter. It gets annoying quick when people don't seem to understand what I'm trying to say, whether that's my fault or not, and annoyance only escalates things to a higher degree.

     

    Against my better judgement, I'm going to try this one more time.

     

    I don't think Dak deserves more than 33 mil. I understand that it's perfectly reasonable for him to ask for more than that, because that's the way the business works. But I don't think he's worth that much, in terms of value. Just like Cousins and all the other overpaid players. To me, if someone asks for more money than they are worth, even though it makes sense to do it because of the system, it's greedy. I know I'm being picky, but I think that players simply have way too much control these days. It's like an employee asking for a new salary from their employer, because they worked harder and did more than what their current salary represents. Now, asking for more because you deserve it is perfectly okay, in most instances. Asking for more than the value of work you put out on the other hand, then refusing to work unless you get that amount, is stupid and will likely get you fired. That's dumb. Unfortunately, the NFL doesn't work like most business do in that aspect. And that's exactly my problem, the employees have way too much control. 

     

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    I feel like the Defenders are going to win the league pretty easily, mainly because most of the other team's QB's suck. But we'll see how Landry Jones does today, who I believe has the most NFL experience of any of them.

     Josh Johnson. Johnson was also the #1 pick.

     Ah, right. I forgot about him. The Wildcats as a whole do not look very good though.

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    I still don't think people are understanding my points. This chat is definitely a clique, but man, I just must not talk like I think I do on here. I have conversations with friends, family and coworkers about this stuff nearly every day and it's way, way smoother. Friendly arguments, nothing beyond that. I don't want y'all to hate me, granted, I also don't care too much. The contrast just confuses the crap out of me.

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    I GET that's not how it works. I just said I understand the business aspect of it. I get that. My point is that in a perfect world, there is no way that Dak gets even close to the amount as Watson or Mahomes. That's all I'm saying, that he doesn't deserve it imo. NOT that he won't end up getting it.

     

    And I think he's being greedy because I think anyone asking for more than what they are worth is being greedy. That's not being biased, I'm not even sure how that could be considered biased. I just personally hate this "one-up" contract trend that has gotten big over these past couple years. Ten, twenty years ago Dak would more than likely be getting laughed out of Dallas. Gordon likely wouldn't be with the Chargers anymore. I get that this is how it works these days, I just hate that that is how it is.

     

    Kan, my question was do you think he deserves the same amount. You seem to be implying he doesn't, which I agree with. But right now it's very possible that he could, and imo he doesn't deserve that in the slightest. Let's just use Wilson as an example instead, because he already got his contract, unlike Mahomes. If Dak gets more than Wilson, and it certainly looks like he will, imo he doesn't deserve that at all. Hopefully that makes sense.

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    I feel like the Defenders are going to win the league pretty easily, mainly because most of the other team's QB's suck. But we'll see how Landry Jones does today, who I believe has the most NFL experience of any of them.

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    Dak is going to sign is my guess, it will be way too much and Mahomes will get even more and the Chiefs win will be one and done

     I'll take it. I'm sure every Chiefs fan wouldve taken a $200 million contract for one win.

     Heck no, I want more. I don't ever want to see this one called a fluke or "luck". I want to be the next dynasty. Wouldn't you want to be a fan of the two teams that just happened to have two of the greatest dynasties in league history back to back?

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    I automatically don't like Dak because he's asking for more than freaking 33 mil a year. That's ridiculous for a guy who has won one playoff game. He's a good QB though. I just hate his attitude. Watson would never, and he deserves that contract more than Dak imo. 

     Dak would be asking for that much because he has leverage, and the market says he can.  Timing and leverage are always more important than anything in negotiations.  Why do you hold against someone trying to maximize their earnings?  How do you know Watson wouldn't ask for the same thing, if not more?  Houston is looking to extend him this offseason.  I'd be surprised if it's not for more than Wilson's deal.  Watson's agent has gotten deals that reset the top of the market at a position multiple times, so I don't think there'll be any discounts handed out (not to mention the fact Bill O'Brien will be negotiating the contract most likely, and he'd likely be out of a job it not for Deshaun so he'd be smart to just pay whatever it takes)

     I never said that Watson would take a discount, let me clarify. If Watson was in Dak's exact position with the exact same stats, in other words if he basically took his place, I think he'd take 33 mil a year. It's a character thing.

     

    As for Dak, what you're saying makes sense if he was one of the top QB's in the league, but watching him over the years I just don't think he is up there with the best of the best. I mean, we're talking a Wilson-like contract here. Do we really think he's as good as Wilson? Or Watson for that matter? I don't think so, and so I don't think he deserves as much or more than those two. But it's not up to me, and because they do want to keep him for life I wouldn't be surprised if he ultimately gets the deal he wants, and then it becomes a question of was it worth it, or did he just steal the team's lunch money.

     What has Dak ever done to be considered a person of low character or less character than Watson? Am I missing something here?

    Nope

     Please don't take my comment out of context. I think Dak is being greedy by asking for more than 33 mil. I think Watson would take that 33 mil (in the exact same situation as Dak), because he's proven to have not been greedy in the past. That's all it is. Maybe when it comes time for him to get his deal it'll turn out that he'll be just as greedy as well. But I remember him donating his first game check to cafeteria workers at NRG stadium, and that's just not something many players do or would even think of doing in general, and it definitely doesn't strike me as something someone greedy would do. Hopefully that makes sense.

     https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/Article/Dak-Prescott-asks-fans-to-help-raise-money-for-cancer-research-121175763/

    https://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-cowboys/post/_/id/4763863/dak-prescott-finds-perspective-in-moving-on-from-atlanta-loss

    https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/sports/2019/04/10/cowboys-prescott-donates-kaalas-roots-fund/3429398002/

    https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/01/29/cowboys-quarterback-dak-prescott-donates-campbells-soup-miami-homeless-shelter/

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     Fair enough lol. I shouldn't have brought Watson into this in that way. But I still think he's being greedy. And I don't think he deserves 35 mil or whatever when that might be what the QB who just had the greatest first two years of a QB 's career in history might end up getting. That's really all it boils down to. I've watched Mahomes, I've watched Watson, I've watched Dak. If anyone seriously places Dak at the other two's level, then I feel like we can all agree that that person is 100% being biased. So business aspect aside, because I get the "if he can ask for more, why shouldn't he?" question, do y'all really think he deserves the same amount of money as those guys, such as 35 mil? Because I don't. 

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    I automatically don't like Dak because he's asking for more than freaking 33 mil a year. That's ridiculous for a guy who has won one playoff game. He's a good QB though. I just hate his attitude. Watson would never, and he deserves that contract more than Dak imo. 

     Dak would be asking for that much because he has leverage, and the market says he can.  Timing and leverage are always more important than anything in negotiations.  Why do you hold against someone trying to maximize their earnings?  How do you know Watson wouldn't ask for the same thing, if not more?  Houston is looking to extend him this offseason.  I'd be surprised if it's not for more than Wilson's deal.  Watson's agent has gotten deals that reset the top of the market at a position multiple times, so I don't think there'll be any discounts handed out (not to mention the fact Bill O'Brien will be negotiating the contract most likely, and he'd likely be out of a job it not for Deshaun so he'd be smart to just pay whatever it takes)

     I never said that Watson would take a discount, let me clarify. If Watson was in Dak's exact position with the exact same stats, in other words if he basically took his place, I think he'd take 33 mil a year. It's a character thing.

     

    As for Dak, what you're saying makes sense if he was one of the top QB's in the league, but watching him over the years I just don't think he is up there with the best of the best. I mean, we're talking a Wilson-like contract here. Do we really think he's as good as Wilson? Or Watson for that matter? I don't think so, and so I don't think he deserves as much or more than those two. But it's not up to me, and because they do want to keep him for life I wouldn't be surprised if he ultimately gets the deal he wants, and then it becomes a question of was it worth it, or did he just steal the team's lunch money.

     What has Dak ever done to be considered a person of low character or less character than Watson? Am I missing something here?

    Nope

     Please don't take my comment out of context. I think Dak is being greedy by asking for more than 33 mil. I think Watson would take that 33 mil (in the exact same situation as Dak), because he's proven to have not been greedy in the past. That's all it is. Maybe when it comes time for him to get his deal it'll turn out that he'll be just as greedy as well. But I remember him donating his first game check to cafeteria workers at NRG stadium, and that's just not something many players do or would even think of doing in general, and it definitely doesn't strike me as something someone greedy would do. Hopefully that makes sense.

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    I want to see an OT game this weekend, the shootout format sounds like it's going to be insanely fun to watch.

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    I just got around to watching the NFL's top 100 catches of 2019 video, and they put a catch by a camera guy (I think that's what he was anyways), which was frankly more luck than anything, at #100. If that's the case, then the cheerleader who literally caught a punt with one hand while holding pom-poms in the other deserves to be on the list too. Come on NFL.

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    I wouldn't mind Josh Norman in KC for a cheap price.

     He was god awful the last two years

     I believe it. I still think hes worth the gamble. At the right price that is. Kendall Fuller was pretty bad last year. Gave up something like a 134 passer rating when targeted. 

     We don’t need to make moves at DB. We have the core with Ward/Breeland/Fenton. Only DB signings should be low cost deals for depth.

    Any big $$ we have needs to be put into LB and OL, and re-signing Breeland.

     

     Ehh, we need a slot guy, which is where Fuller primarily played this year and sucked. Harris is a slot CB, one of the best in the game. It'd be a perfect fit.

     

    Side note, Fuller ended up playing safety the majority of the time during the playoffs, and he did quite well. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they got rid of him because of the contract, but keeping him and transitioning him over to safety to serve as backup for Thornhill/sixth DB in the dime package isn't the worst idea in the world.

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