• posted a message on NFL Discussion: Chiefs Super Bowl Champions!!!
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    Well... we're still here for now. 

     

    Seems like the Broncos are the team being linked most to slay. CHJ wants to leave, so that would make sense.

     He wants to be a Chief I'm guessing, went to college in Kansas, has always spoken well about the city. Question is can we afford him lol.

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  • posted a message on Kansas City Chiefs Discussion Thread: We Fought For Our Right to Partyyyyyyyyyyyy

    The final episode of The Franchise, the show that the Chiefs have been putting out about their season from the offseason to now, comes out Wednesday at 6 PM CST. What a year to do it on.

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  • posted a message on Official NBA Discussion-Kobe Tribute on Page 1
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    LOVE the new All-Star Game format. They should keep it for forever. Honors Kobe and actually makes the game competitive. That was the first time I think I've seen an accurate representation of the league hierarchy, in terms of the star players. For the first time ever I actually watched live footage of the game instead of just the highlights. The Pro Bowl should really think about doing something like this, if at all possible.

     

    Imo Aaron Gordon definitely got robbed, but Derrick Jones did also deserve it. If Tacko had just kept his elbows a little farther in and his hands a little closer to his head he wouldn't have bent down as much, and I think it would have been a near clean clear for Gordon, because that's what he ended up hitting. Keep in mind though, Tacko is 7 foot 5. Aaron Gordon, with only a small running start, leaped probably 7 feet, 3 inches in the air, at least. He said he wanted to do it with Shaq, who is 7' 1",  but Shaq didn't want to. I think he would have cleared Shaq.

     

    Here's what really pisses me off the most though, and idk if you were all of aware of this. The judges planned on making it a tie before the final round, no matter what Jones Jr or Gordon's final dunk was. Now tell me that's not a load of bull. To make matters worse, someone obviously screwed up, or purposefully deviated from the plan. Seeing as longtime Heat player Wade gave Heat player Jones Jr a 10 and Gordon a 9, I'm looking at him. But that decision shouldn't have even been made in the first place! You award the correct player the win based on those final two dunks or you decide who was best overall in the tie breaker. Just an ugly bad spot on an otherwise excellent All-Star weekend.

     I hated the ASG format before the game started but I loved the end result. As a gambler the O/U was too hard to predict with an untimed 4th Q so I was annoyed Laughing But that 4th Q was the best Qtr of any ASG I can remember. The narrative for the last decade+ has been that players turn it up for the 4th Q. Honestly, I don't think they've turned up much at all the past few years. Until last night. It was so fun to watch.

     

    In terms of the Saturday Night events, thats also the best I can remember. I think the 2000 Dunk Contest with VC will always be the greatest individual event but not just for the dunks. It was partly the dunks, but also the reactions from the players and the fans. Shaqs face with the camcorder on hand is so classic. But as a whole, all events including, this year was near perfect. Skills competition was fun and down the wire. Good energy all around from the players in it. The 3pt shootout was awesome, literally came down to the LAST shot that was worth 2 in a 1pt contest. How cool is that? I can't ever remember the final round of the 3ptShootout coming down to the very last ball being do or die. He misses, Booker wins. But he made it so Buddy wins. Amazing. The dunk contest was ultimately flawed IMO because Gordon should've won, but both guys put on a SHOW. The best part was the relative ease and smoothness of the attempts. Missed attempts water down the dunks so much, and both Gordon and DJJ slammed on their first attempt nearly every time. 

     

    I think they should implement 1 more event and make it a game of H-O-R-S-E or even P-I-G to keep it faster. That would be fun.

     PIG probably. That would be awesome. I've yet to watch the 3 point contest, just saw Hield had won, so excited to see that finish. Haven't heard his name this much since he was wrecking teams at Oklahoma. The skills competition also came down to a final shot. Would have been an amazing weekend all around...if Gordon would have won. But that last score, especially his reaction to it where he didn't hide his understandable disappointment at all, just puts a sour taste in my mouth. Screw you D-Wade.

     

    Side note, why was an actor judging a dunk contest? That's like me judging an ice skating competition. You succeeded and didn't fall...idk anything else.

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  • posted a message on XFL Discussion: Week 3
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    everyone changing allegiances is lame. what happens next year? i'm sure it'll be very difficult to sustain success in this league. you gonna switch teams again when dc/houston aren't as good?

     If you were referring to me, I haven't picked one yet. But I 100% agree with you.

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  • posted a message on NFL Discussion: Chiefs Super Bowl Champions!!!

    I expected to log on here and see a completely different site. When is it all supposed to go down?

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  • posted a message on NFL Discussion: Chiefs Super Bowl Champions!!!
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    I hope this isn't too long. Even if it is, please read all of it.

     

     I apologize for "rage quitting" earlier. I've thought about the past conversation, and I definitely think about the situation differently now. I feel like in the grand scheme of things, he's going to be overpaid. But there's no reason to not ask for what he thinks he can get. If I was in his spot, I would too. 

     

    However, the problem I have isn't with Dak. More than anything, the comment that pissed me off the most is the "you're talking to people who are pretty darn knowledgeable about football here, compared to real life" one. Because what that implies is 1) I'm not knowledgeable and 2) Other people aren't knowledgeable because they agree with me. I have an honest question, do y'all really think you are above everyone else in terms of football knowledge? Because you're not. We're all pretty biased fans here with around the same amount of football knowledge. If anything, age gives people a small bit of an advantage, and Socks probably knows the ins and outs of stats more than half of us combined, maybe more. That's it. 

     

    Need I remind you, and this is just off the top of my head to keep this short:

    • I got relentlessly, and I mean relentlessly, trashed and mocked for my early season take on the Patriots. And it was correct. I'm glad GT at least apologized and gave me props for it. 
    • I also got trashed for thinking the Packers could be really good this year and only lose two to three games (I forget which). Well, they lost three.
    • Chase got laughed at for heralding the Eagles all season, and they nearly took out the Seahawks in the playoffs with their 2nd stringers. Sure it might be a little annoyingly biased, but why are we hating on a person for having passion for their team? He's a kid, a kid who I am shocked hasn't blown up at anyone yet. Let him be.
    • How many people thought the Browns were going to be amazing? I sure as heck did. I feel like most of us did. And we were all wrong.
    • I can't tell if it's a joke/troll or not, but if you honestly think that the Super Bowl was rigged or that the refs wanted the Chiefs to win, then that's just dumb. I hope deep down inside you that you know it's dumb. Especially since every "controversial" call has a perfectly reasonable explanation behind it.

    Bottom line, we're all pretty equal here, and it's really, really stupid and pointless to bash each other's take, hot as they might be. It certainly doesn't do the chat or vibe within the chat any favors, and also because sometimes they're right. The reason I get into the majority of the arguments is unlike some people, I stupidly respond to the bashing and don't stop. I'm too stubborn. But that needs to stop, for my sake and yours. So if I offer up an opinion and get needlessly bashed over the head for it again, and I'm not talking a debate, those are fine, I mean when someone is blatantly disrespectful about it, I'm just going to block you. It's not a great solution, but it's all I can really think of atm.

     

    Who knows, I'm not a big fan of the Reddit format and I don't play any sort of Madden anymore, so I might not be sticking around here for much longer anyways. But for now, I just want this chat to be fun for all of us and not instead something that angers/annoys/stresses everyone out. There's really no point to it if it does.

     You read into my statement way to much. All I meant is we're very knowledge fans here. That doesnt exclude anyone.

     

    My point was that when you talk to close family and friends the conversations are usually different because you have a specific bubble with that group. They're gonna agree with you more. 

     

    When you talk to people outside of that group, they wont talk to you in that bubble. It's not just for you. It's for literally every person. "Outsiders" will talk to you differently than those in your bubble. That's why you have allot of group think there but not here.

     

     

    All of your points you made are one sided. The Pats offense was stacked when you made that prediction. It wasnt the cupboard we saw it become. That's why people didnt like your opinion. All I remember is people saying the Packers would be good. Chase got heat for relentlessly talking about Wentz and praising him no matter what he did. 99% of the SB rigged tall has been jokes.

     

    You say we're all nearly equal but it has been you who has told others to do more research all year long. That has made others feel you look down on them and what started the rift with so many and yourself. 

     

    Guru I like you, you know that, but I think you go into a lot of things with your mind already made up and then ignore what others say and then read into what people say way to much.

     I get what you're saying 100%. I will say that in terms of people agreeing with you more, I don't think that is not the case for everyone. My family is a very stubborn bunch (can you tell?) and if we disagree with somebody, we tend to tell them. Now we still all get along, but it's just not, you know, mutual feelings all around on everything. Mostly silly stuff like sports, or food. That being said, for a while I thought it was more the fact that my family pretty much all shares the same values, we're all from the Midwest, 95% of us are Christians, yada yada. It is definitely a bubble. But my workplace is completely different. Former convicts, people from the "hood", guys that normally I would never, ever make friends with. But one of them is a massive Bears fan, another is a Packers fan, and we've bonded over football, which we mostly agree on, among other things. But football was definitely the "in". I really feel like the biggest problem is that I simply have a problem on the written communication front. The way I talk on here isn't the best. But it's also not really intentional. I'm not purposefully trying to get people to not like me. I just don't exactly know how to fix it. But I will heed your advice and make sure I am coming in with an open mind in the future, and hopefully that'll fix some things.

     

    One last thing because it'll bug me, the reason I made the Pats prediction was because even though their offense was considered stacked and their defense was historic, it just felt like it was too good to be true. I believe it was the game where they sort of struggled against the Jets when I first started thinking that. And then the game against the Bills confirmed it. Remember when the Chiefs started out 9-0 or whatever in 2013 because of a super easy schedule? They then proceeded to lose 5 of their last 7 games, all five to eventual playoff teams, before the epic collapse against the Colts in the playoffs. It felt a lot like that.

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  • posted a message on XFL Discussion: Week 3

    This is like a reality show for me. Week 1 eliminated the Vipers, Wildcats, Renegades and Defenders. Week 2 eliminated the Dragons and Guardians. It's down to two, and the Roughnecks get the worst team in the league by far next week. Walker could have a field day and win my fandom.

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  • posted a message on Kansas City Chiefs Discussion Thread: We Fought For Our Right to Partyyyyyyyyyyyy

    You know what I find really awesome about this SB win, over almost anything else? It happened on the 100th season. We won the 100th season. Nobody can take that away from us. What season is just as/more iconic? 50? Nah. 200? That won't be for a while, and it's still not as big. The 100th SB won't be for another 46 years, if we even make it that long. I'll be 66 by the time that rolls around. And even then, the 100th season period is more iconic if you ask me. And we won it. 

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  • posted a message on Official NBA Discussion-Kobe Tribute on Page 1

    LOVE the new All-Star Game format. They should keep it for forever. Honors Kobe and actually makes the game competitive. That was the first time I think I've seen an accurate representation of the league hierarchy, in terms of the star players. For the first time ever I actually watched live footage of the game instead of just the highlights. The Pro Bowl should really think about doing something like this, if at all possible.

     

    Imo Aaron Gordon definitely got robbed, but Derrick Jones did also deserve it. If Tacko had just kept his elbows a little farther in and his hands a little closer to his head he wouldn't have bent down as much, and I think it would have been a near clean clear for Gordon, because that's what he ended up hitting. Keep in mind though, Tacko is 7 foot 5. Aaron Gordon, with only a small running start, leaped probably 7 feet, 3 inches in the air, at least. He said he wanted to do it with Shaq, who is 7' 1",  but Shaq didn't want to. I think he would have cleared Shaq.

     

    Here's what really pisses me off the most though, and idk if you were all of aware of this. The judges planned on making it a tie before the final round, no matter what Jones Jr or Gordon's final dunk was. Now tell me that's not a load of bull. To make matters worse, someone obviously screwed up, or purposefully deviated from the plan. Seeing as longtime Heat player Wade gave Heat player Jones Jr a 10 and Gordon a 9, I'm looking at him. But that decision shouldn't have even been made in the first place! You award the correct player the win based on those final two dunks or you decide who was best overall in the tie breaker. Just an ugly bad spot on an otherwise excellent All-Star weekend.

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  • posted a message on NFL Discussion: Chiefs Super Bowl Champions!!!
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    I still don't think people are understanding my points. This chat is definitely a clique, but man, I just must not talk like I think I do on here. I have conversations with friends, family and coworkers about this stuff nearly every day and it's way, way smoother. Friendly arguments, nothing beyond that. I don't want y'all to hate me, granted, I also don't care too much. The contrast just confuses the crap out of me.

     It’s not a clique it’s just multiple members calling out a bad take or a clearly biased one.

     

    Case in point- you claim Prescott and Cousins don’t deserve their contracts when in fact they both just turned in seasons that placed them in the top echelon of QB’s in nearly every single advanced metric. Flashback to last offseason, you praised the sign and trade of Frank Clark, a contract that made him the second highest paid DE on average, going so far as calling him a top 5 DE in the league when he had never turned in a season that warranted that kind of payday or consideration as a top 5 DE.

     

    That is what people will call out as bad takes or biased takes.

     It's definitely a clique. There's a group of Patriots fans here that if you say anything bad about Brady or that team, they mob you for it. Unless it absolutely can't be denied. Try it, I dare you. 

     

    They also mercilessly bully people like Chase, going as far as calling me "the next Chase". Sure, he can be a little bit annoying sometimes. But that treatment is not warranted, and should not be, not only accepted by a mod, but joined by a mod. It's ridiculous. But complaining about manners on an internet forum is like complaining about city traffic. Nothing is going to change. 

     

    It's been so long I hardly remember the Frank Clark situation. I remember saying (possibly later on) that I think he was overpaid a little bit. I do remember saying he was a top 5 DE, and I think the reason was because over the past three years (not including this most recent one) no DE had more sacks than he had (32). I feel like that's a perfectly warranted reason to call him a top 5 DE. And after this season, I still believe him to be a top 5 DE. Those who knew what was going on understood that for the first part of the season he was dealing with both a sickness and nerve in his neck causing him to lose feeling in part of his body. Once he got all that fixed, the dude was a monster, finishing with at least one sack in 6 of the last 8 regular season games, and tallying 8 sacks in the playoffs, three of which coming on fourth down with less than two minutes remaining in the game. Defensively, the MVP of the regular season was Mathieu. In the playoffs, it was Clark.

     

    I don't think Cousins deserves the contract he got at all, and dude, many people agree with me. Tons of people here were saying that when it happened. Cousins is what, 6-30 against teams with a winning record? That is awful. He's still a good player, I never said he wasn't. But stats don't really matter when you can't win when it matters. Imo, no person should have the contract he got with that kind of reputation. Dak is a good player too. But I don't think he should get even close to the amount Wilson has and Mahomes is projected to get when both of those guys have, you know, won Super Bowls. But that's just my thoughts. I want to move on from Dak and talk about something else, please. If I have to, I'll just stop responding.

     2016-2018 Sack Leades

    Chandler Jones 41

    Danielle Hunter 34

    Khalil Mack 34

    Calias Campbell 33

    Cameron Jordan 32.5

     

    I like Clark and don’t have a problem with what he’s paid because I think he has the potential to produce a top 5 season I just don’t believe he’s put together a full season like that yet. I just found it ironic is all.

     

    6-30 sigh. I’ll provide some context if that’s what you’re basing his contract off of.

     

    Cousins per game averages in starts against +.500 teams and teams that are .500 or worse.

    +.500- 24-37 64.9% 276 YDS 1.66 TD .89 INT

    .500- 22-32 68.7% 254 YDS 1.69 TD .65 INT

     

    Rushing offense is games Cousins started.

    +.500- 20 ATT 47 YDS 2.35 AVG .29 TD

    .500- 21 ATT 95 YDS 4.52 AVG .69 TD

     

    Average final score in those games.

    +.500- 21-28

    .500- 22-17

     

    Tell me more about why he can’t win those games when he’s largely the same player while the rushing offense is cut in half and the defense is giving up an average of 2 more scores.

     

    On average Cousins has played with the 21st ranked rushing offense and the 18th ranked defense in total defense. Last year was the first year he played where both of those units were top 10. You would be shocked at how QB’s like Montana, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Wilson have fared when they have top 10 rushing offenses and total defenses versus when they don’t.

     I consider Mack a LB, as does PFR (ProFootballReference) which is what I typically use, hence why Clark ends up in that top five for sacks, at #5. I remember that now, I was saying he was a top 5 DE and citing that as a reason. It's nice to see Cousins numbers in perspective. They're nothing special either way, but I understand that the Redskins were not a good team, and that he still gave Thielen one heck of a season last year. Time will tell if he can redeem himself in Minnesota or not.

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  • posted a message on NFL Discussion: Chiefs Super Bowl Champions!!!

    I hope this isn't too long. Even if it is, please read all of it.

     

     I apologize for "rage quitting" earlier. I've thought about the past conversation, and I definitely think about the situation differently now. I feel like in the grand scheme of things, he's going to be overpaid. But there's no reason to not ask for what he thinks he can get. If I was in his spot, I would too. 

     

    However, the problem I have isn't with Dak. More than anything, the comment that pissed me off the most is the "you're talking to people who are pretty darn knowledgeable about football here, compared to real life" one. Because what that implies is 1) I'm not knowledgeable and 2) Other people aren't knowledgeable because they agree with me. I have an honest question, do y'all really think you are above everyone else in terms of football knowledge? Because you're not. We're all pretty biased fans here with around the same amount of football knowledge. If anything, age gives people a small bit of an advantage, and Socks probably knows the ins and outs of stats more than half of us combined, maybe more. That's it. 

     

    Need I remind you, and this is just off the top of my head to keep this short:

    • I got relentlessly, and I mean relentlessly, trashed and mocked for my early season take on the Patriots. And it was correct. I'm glad GT at least apologized and gave me props for it. 
    • I also got trashed for thinking the Packers could be really good this year and only lose two to three games (I forget which). Well, they lost three.
    • Chase got laughed at for heralding the Eagles all season, and they nearly took out the Seahawks in the playoffs with their 2nd stringers. Sure it might be a little annoyingly biased, but why are we hating on a person for having passion for their team? He's a kid, a kid who I am shocked hasn't blown up at anyone yet. Let him be.
    • How many people thought the Browns were going to be amazing? I sure as heck did. I feel like most of us did. And we were all wrong.
    • I can't tell if it's a joke/troll or not, but if you honestly think that the Super Bowl was rigged or that the refs wanted the Chiefs to win, then that's just dumb. I hope deep down inside you that you know it's dumb. Especially since every "controversial" call has a perfectly reasonable explanation behind it.

    Bottom line, we're all pretty equal here, and it's really, really stupid and pointless to bash each other's take, hot as they might be. It certainly doesn't do the chat or vibe within the chat any favors, and also because sometimes they're right. The reason I get into the majority of the arguments is unlike some people, I stupidly respond to the bashing and don't stop. I'm too stubborn. But that needs to stop, for my sake and yours. So if I offer up an opinion and get needlessly bashed over the head for it again, and I'm not talking a debate, those are fine, I mean when someone is blatantly disrespectful about it, I'm just going to block you. It's not a great solution, but it's all I can really think of atm.

     

    Who knows, I'm not a big fan of the Reddit format and I don't play any sort of Madden anymore, so I might not be sticking around here for much longer anyways. But for now, I just want this chat to be fun for all of us and not instead something that angers/annoys/stresses everyone out. There's really no point to it if it does.

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  • posted a message on XFL Discussion: Week 3

    Roughnecks are really fun to watch. PJ Walker looking like PJ Watson out there. On the other side, Ta'amu is pretty much dragging his team on his back, but only a couple of mistakes cost them the win. I might pull a DP here and root for Roughnecks as my Team A and Battlehawks as the Team B. Or just say screw it, not be a fan of any team and just watch some exciting football.

     

    Side note, if Coates hadn't stepped out of bounds that TD throw and catch would have topped most in the NFL this year. Wow.

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  • posted a message on NFL Discussion: Chiefs Super Bowl Champions!!!

    Forget it, there's nothing else big to talk about anyways until free agency happens. This whole conversation is ridiculous and while I am not labeling you guys as the sole issue, it is clear it is not just me here when this does NOT happen in real life. I'm out for a while. 

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  • posted a message on NFL Discussion: Chiefs Super Bowl Champions!!!
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    I don't understand how you can fault people for asking for more if they know the team will pay it.

     Literally every single top player in the league can be considered greedy then. Is a person who plays a sport seriously worth millions of dollars? Hell no, that’s just how it is. Are they worth more than teachers, firemen, police, etc? Guru seriously has the dumbest point of view in this argument. 

     In terms of the league's economy, some players are worth that much. Now, I am 100% with you that in the larger picture, teachers, doctors, first responders and law enforcement should be among the highest paid careers in this country. But unfortunately their job economies are not even close to those of NFL players. So honestly, yeah, forget the league's economy, every single top player in the league is overpaid. Maybe with Mahomes about to get his big contract those feelings of mine are coming up to the surface. We live in a society where entertainers are paid, what, 100 times as much as those with the most important jobs in the world? More than that? That pisses me off. There's your answer.

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  • posted a message on NFL Discussion: Chiefs Super Bowl Champions!!!
    Quote from ZimTzu >>
    Quote from TheMaddenGuru24 >>

    I still don't think people are understanding my points. This chat is definitely a clique, but man, I just must not talk like I think I do on here. I have conversations with friends, family and coworkers about this stuff nearly every day and it's way, way smoother. Friendly arguments, nothing beyond that. I don't want y'all to hate me, granted, I also don't care too much. The contrast just confuses the crap out of me.

     It’s not a clique it’s just multiple members calling out a bad take or a clearly biased one.

     

    Case in point- you claim Prescott and Cousins don’t deserve their contracts when in fact they both just turned in seasons that placed them in the top echelon of QB’s in nearly every single advanced metric. Flashback to last offseason, you praised the sign and trade of Frank Clark, a contract that made him the second highest paid DE on average, going so far as calling him a top 5 DE in the league when he had never turned in a season that warranted that kind of payday or consideration as a top 5 DE.

     

    That is what people will call out as bad takes or biased takes.

     It's definitely a clique. There's a group of Patriots fans here that if you say anything bad about Brady or that team, they mob you for it. Unless it absolutely can't be denied. Try it, I dare you. 

     

    They also mercilessly bully people like Chase, going as far as calling me "the next Chase". Sure, he can be a little bit annoying sometimes. But that treatment is not warranted, and should not be, not only accepted by a mod, but joined by a mod. It's ridiculous. But complaining about manners on an internet forum is like complaining about city traffic. Nothing is going to change. 

     

    It's been so long I hardly remember the Frank Clark situation. I remember saying (possibly later on) that I think he was overpaid a little bit. I do remember saying he was a top 5 DE, and I think the reason was because over the past three years (not including this most recent one) no DE had more sacks than he had (32). I feel like that's a perfectly warranted reason to call him a top 5 DE. And after this season, I still believe him to be a top 5 DE. Those who knew what was going on understood that for the first part of the season he was dealing with both a sickness and nerve in his neck causing him to lose feeling in part of his body. Once he got all that fixed, the dude was a monster, finishing with at least one sack in 6 of the last 8 regular season games, and tallying 8 sacks in the playoffs, three of which coming on fourth down with less than two minutes remaining in the game. Defensively, the MVP of the regular season was Mathieu. In the playoffs, it was Clark.

     

    I don't think Cousins deserves the contract he got at all, and dude, many people agree with me. Tons of people here were saying that when it happened. Cousins is what, 6-30 against teams with a winning record? That is awful. He's still a good player, I never said he wasn't. But stats don't really matter when you can't win when it matters. Imo, no person should have the contract he got with that kind of reputation. Dak is a good player too. But I don't think he should get even close to the amount Wilson has and Mahomes is projected to get when both of those guys have, you know, won Super Bowls. But that's just my thoughts. I want to move on from Dak and talk about something else, please. If I have to, I'll just stop responding.

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