• posted a message on 2018 QB Class
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    Do you guys think the 2020 class is better? Try to pretend you dont know how the players from 2018 turned out. Just go off of how you felt about that at the time.

     

    Would you rather take a guy from 2018 or 2020?

    I gotta go with 2020 just because of Burrow and Tua. The 2018 class had an extra 1st round caliber player (5: Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen, Lamar, Allen to 4: Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love), but its not enough. 

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    I feel bad for Rosen, but his numbers this season were so awful, they were even worse than his rookie season. It'd be a miracle if he turned his career around. Darnold also had a mostly rough season, and starting your career with 2 replacement level seasons is a bad sign. Next year is make or break imo.

     

    Josh Allen improved throughout the second half, and he's finally showing that potential that people got excited about. But he's still inconsistent and his overall level of play is below average. I think Baker will bounce back, but I am a lot less confident than I was last year. 

    That miracle may be ending up on a team that knows how to surround a QB with support. The OL had no idea how to play and they didn't really gel until much later in the season and yet they were still worst in the NFL by a wide margin. No QB would've survived that first 6 weeks with the Dolphins. 

    I wouldn't be all that surprised if Rosen eventually becomes successful, but I don't think anybody can expect that. He just hasn't anything to inspire confidence. The fact that Ryan Fitzpatrick basically had an average season is a perfect example that if you're an NFL-caliber quarterback, you can still produce some value. 

     Actually no, Fitzpatrick was equally as terrible during that first quarter of the season which led to his initial benching. It wasn't until they shuffled the OL and heavily modified the playcalling AFTER Rosen's benching that Fitzpatrick had some room to breathe in his second stint.

    The Dolphins actually had a lower full season pass block win rate than just in the first half. And as bad as Fitzpatrick was starting the year, he was still considerably better than Rosen. 

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    With Brees back in guessing Teddy will leave. Taysom might get the job now. He'd get it at 31 with 13 career passing attempts.

     Yeah, that seems to be the plan for the Saints. They better hope Brees is healthy because they're not going to overcome an injury to him this time...

     Taysom is a fun player. But he is not a franchise QB. I think its wild that the Saints are even considering it. Who knows maybe he'll surprise people. But I view him as a worse Lamar Jackson when he entered the draft. Jackson got a lot of hate. Taysom is getting love. Man i just dont get it.

    Oh I'm sure you can come up with a reason why lol. But I also agree with you, people love the gimmick plays so much it blinds them than Hill might not be able to do the most important things a QB needs to do. 

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    I feel bad for Rosen, but his numbers this season were so awful, they were even worse than his rookie season. It'd be a miracle if he turned his career around. Darnold also had a mostly rough season, and starting your career with 2 replacement level seasons is a bad sign. Next year is make or break imo.

     

    Josh Allen improved throughout the second half, and he's finally showing that potential that people got excited about. But he's still inconsistent and his overall level of play is below average. I think Baker will bounce back, but I am a lot less confident than I was last year. 

    That miracle may be ending up on a team that knows how to surround a QB with support. The OL had no idea how to play and they didn't really gel until much later in the season and yet they were still worst in the NFL by a wide margin. No QB would've survived that first 6 weeks with the Dolphins. 

    I wouldn't be all that surprised if Rosen eventually becomes successful, but I don't think anybody can expect that. He just hasn't anything to inspire confidence. The fact that Ryan Fitzpatrick basically had an average season is a perfect example that if you're an NFL-caliber quarterback, you can still produce some value. 

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    I too think Mason Rudolph shows great decision making, particularly with regard to who to fight 😉

     

    Also I think Josh Allen is being overrated atm. He showed flashes and is obviously very athletic but he has glaring accuracy issues.

     It's fun to look back and see what was right and wrong. Mike White was not good. Shimonek isnt even in the NFL. 

     

    I still like Falk and Lauletta. I still think the big 5 will be good. I've gone from thinking Rudolph was a potential franchise guy to believing he is a top tier backup at best. 

     

    I thought Jackson needed time. Wrong. Mayfield will still be the best. Darnold and Allen will be Pro Bowl type guys. Idk what's gonna happen to Rosen. I still think he is wildly talented. He has just been thrown into the two worst situations. If given a shot with a real team, I think Baker is the only guy who is better.

    You still like Falk -- as in right now? In the year 2020? After the season he just had? You must love Darnold then. 

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    I feel bad for Rosen, but his numbers this season were so awful, they were even worse than his rookie season. It'd be a miracle if he turned his career around. Darnold also had a mostly rough season, and starting your career with 2 replacement level seasons is a bad sign. Next year is make or break imo.

     

    Josh Allen improved throughout the second half, and he's finally showing that potential that people got excited about. But he's still inconsistent and his overall level of play is below average. I think Baker will bounce back, but I am a lot less confident than I was last year. 

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    What path do you guys recommend?

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    Apparently the Dolphins are lukewarm on Tua and like Herbert instead.

    Would love for them to take Herbert. Great chance the Chargers get Tua.

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    Goodbye old Muthead.

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    I already have Hester at 96, so I think I'm going to pick CB.

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    I still don't think people are understanding my points. This chat is definitely a clique, but man, I just must not talk like I think I do on here. I have conversations with friends, family and coworkers about this stuff nearly every day and it's way, way smoother. Friendly arguments, nothing beyond that. I don't want y'all to hate me, granted, I also don't care too much. The contrast just confuses the crap out of me.

     You're in a bubble when you talk to friends and family. When you're talking to other fans, who are pretty darn knowledgeable on football, they arent gonna keep you in a bubble.

     

    We do tet your point. We just think it's a very poor one.

     Not in a bubble, definitely not in a bubble. Fans of many different teams, different walks of life, I've got family and friends that live all across the country and world. Never had a problem with any of them, and many are very knowledgeable. Heck, I have one coworker who I'm pretty sure has read every football autobiography there is. I think the difference is there's no face to face and no verbal communication. When you're behind a screen and not physically hearing someone, the whole aura of the conversation changes. Now it's clear as day that this chat is a clique that refuses to accept anyone who dare disagrees with the majority of their opinions. But that's not really the issue here. The issue is that consistently people don't understand what I'm trying to get across. It happened with Williams, it happened with Brady, it's happening now. And it's annoying. So sorry to break down the 4th wall here of sorts, talking about the atmosphere of the chat, but that's just my thoughts on the matter. It gets annoying quick when people don't seem to understand what I'm trying to say, whether that's my fault or not, and annoyance only escalates things to a higher degree.

     

    Against my better judgement, I'm going to try this one more time.

     

    I don't think Dak deserves more than 33 mil. I understand that it's perfectly reasonable for him to ask for more than that, because that's the way the business works. But I don't think he's worth that much, in terms of value. Just like Cousins and all the other overpaid players. To me, if someone asks for more money than they are worth, even though it makes sense to do it because of the system, it's greedy. I know I'm being picky, but I think that players simply have way too much control these days. It's like an employee asking for a new salary from their employer, because they worked harder and did more than what their current salary represents. Now, asking for more because you deserve it is perfectly okay, in most instances. Asking for more than the value of work you put out on the other hand, then refusing to work unless you get that amount, is stupid and will likely get you fired. That's dumb. Unfortunately, the NFL doesn't work like most business do in that aspect. And that's exactly my problem, the employees have way too much control. 

     I'll let someone else deal with your comments on this thread.

     

    Most businesses also aren't set up so they can ship their employees halfway around the country without their permission at a moment's notice. I have no sympathy for the teams here. They've been doing what's purely in their best interests forever even if it screws over the players. Now when the player have more control that's terrible?

    I'll add: "asking for more than the ... is stupid and will likely get you fired" -- uhhh the Cowboys also have the ability to "fire" Dak? They also have the right to deny Dak a new contract? Like any business, you can fire the employee if you feel if it's worth it. But a franchise QB is like a CEO, they have a lot of leverage.

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    I could have sworn alternate accounts were not allowed on here, Mr. J might be Socksfly with that stat delivery!

     

    Side note: people say we don't use math often daily, but we just did in this thread! Boom!

     Laughing Socks is my idol. I'm definitely a stats nerd, pro-football-reference is my 2nd internet home after Muthead. Just wish I had more time to get in on discussions with in depth stats, but slow day at the office on a Friday before a 3 day weekend.  Can't say I expected to use the time on stats to support Dak Prescott, but here we are lol

    My kindred spirit!

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  • posted a message on NFL Discussion: Chiefs Super Bowl Champions!!!

    The top QB contract goes up every year. At one point in time, Derek Carr and Matthew Stafford were the league's highest paid player. For Dak, a good and possibly great QB, to ask for a valuation around the current top contract is quite frankly, the standard.

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  • posted a message on NFL Discussion: Chiefs Super Bowl Champions!!!

    Obviously only Guru knows what Watson would ask for even tho it's a completely hypothetical situation.

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