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    There's going to be a rather big drop off from Drew Brees to whoever replaces him regardless. Don't see the big difference between Taysom starting or a rookie/1st year QB out of the draft starting once Brees leaves. Especially not at the draft position the Saints find them in every year (late 20s, early 30s).

     

    They can pay to keep Taysom and still draft a QB in case it doesn't work out. Doesn't have to be one or the other.

     

    It's no different than what any other team goes through when they swing (and potentially miss) on draft and FA QBs.

     

    Going from the all time passing leader and future Hall of Famer to literally anyone else is going to be a drop off in results and production. It's inevitable.

     

    The good thing about Taysom is, even if he ends up trash as a starting QB, the Saints can still get their $$$'s worth out of him by lining him up at receiver, special teams, and wherever else... While most other teams are forced to bench their failed QB projects and that's that.

     

    This whole "the franchise is doomed if they pick Hill" point of view seems like a massive overreaction to me.. especially considering how easy it seems to be to maneuver contracts and cap numbers in a team's favor if need be.

     

    For the Saints specifically, say Hill's a bust? What's the backup plan? There's no stud QB the Saints are passing up on to choose Hill... So even if he fails, whoever replaces him is literally a gamble anyways. Just gotta hope for the best at that point.

     

    Maybe if they were top 10 in the draft.. but the Saints don't ever have picks like that.

     I'm fine with all of that. I think the doom comes in if they give him a massive franchise caliber QB. 

     

    The way you feel about Dak is how I feel about Taysom.

     

    I'd rather have a rookie QB on small contract than Taysom on big contract. 

     

    If Saints can get him on the cheap then great. If not, I think they should move on.

     I think we go to the bottom of your qualms, which I don't have a problem with. 

     

    I think I've been on record stating that I don't like big dollar qb contracts. If we in 2021 pay taysom hill 30 to 40 million a year. Yes that's a mistake. 

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    Sanu shouldnt be a QB. That's my point. 

     

    Those guys are going to be the future because they were star QBs and they're young.

     

    Who knows, maybe Taysom will be good, but I dont think so. Turning your franchise over to a 31 year old QB with little experience and 13 career passes sounds pretty foolish to me.

    Tom Brady wasn't a star QB in college.

     

    Steve Young wasn't young when he took over in SF.

     

    Don't know why you have so much hate for the dude. The Saints just flat can NOT afford to keep Teddy and Drew. So there is zero hope there, besides the obvious Teddy drawbacks. Taysom can be had for much cheaper (first round tender around 4.5 mil). Gives the Saints a year to truly see what Taysom has and if he's nothing worth anything, no issue. They go on to the draft next year, which will be their first full draft in a while (as of right now at least).

     And Brady wasnt drafted to be a franchise guy. Steve had years of experience playing when he took over in SF. 

     

    They cant keep Teddy. That has nothing to do with anything. I think it would be foolish to have Taysom as your starter in 2021.

     

    I've said multiple times Taysom is an exciting player. I literally just said he can kill defenses as a snap count player. I dont hate him at all.

     Taysom wasn't drafted to be a franchise guy either. He was a waiver wire preseason pickup. But the Saints' staff has really liked what it's seen. That's all that matters.

     That was a good rebuttal. I like Taysom. Arguably the most exciting all around player. I just dont believe he is a franchise guy. I just dont see it. I dont believe Payton sees it either. I fully expect the Saints to target someone like Jordan Love to replace Brees.

     

    If they can keep Taysom cheap as a QB for a couple years then great. If they have to choose between giving him a top 12 QB contract or going with a rookie, I think they should go rookie.

     Jordan Love is so far overrated it's not even funny. He's a gunslinger like Mahomes but without Mahomes' abilities.  I hope like hell we don't get him.  I only saw one game of his, against LSU, and was thoroughly unimpressed.

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    Sanu shouldnt be a QB. That's my point. 

     

    Those guys are going to be the future because they were star QBs and they're young.

     

    Who knows, maybe Taysom will be good, but I dont think so. Turning your franchise over to a 31 year old QB with little experience and 13 career passes sounds pretty foolish to me.

    Tom Brady wasn't a star QB in college.

     

    Steve Young wasn't young when he took over in SF.

     

    Don't know why you have so much hate for the dude. The Saints just flat can NOT afford to keep Teddy and Drew. So there is zero hope there, besides the obvious Teddy drawbacks. Taysom can be had for much cheaper (first round tender around 4.5 mil). Gives the Saints a year to truly see what Taysom has and if he's nothing worth anything, no issue. They go on to the draft next year, which will be their first full draft in a while (as of right now at least).

     And Brady wasnt drafted to be a franchise guy. Steve had years of experience playing when he took over in SF. 

     

    They cant keep Teddy. That has nothing to do with anything. I think it would be foolish to have Taysom as your starter in 2021.

     

    I've said multiple times Taysom is an exciting player. I literally just said he can kill defenses as a snap count player. I dont hate him at all.

     Taysom wasn't drafted to be a franchise guy either. He was a waiver wire preseason pickup. But the Saints' staff has really liked what it's seen. That's all that matters.

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    Sanu shouldnt be a QB. That's my point. 

     

    Those guys are going to be the future because they were star QBs and they're young.

     

    Who knows, maybe Taysom will be good, but I dont think so. Turning your franchise over to a 31 year QB with little experience and 13 career passes sounds pretty foolish to me.

     That’s where Namith’s point kills your argument. Rookies have zero passes coming into the league and are considered franchise QBs having thrown no passes. And u can’t say you’ve seen what Hill can do because he hasn’t shown it yet. 

     I responded to that. Rookies are considered franchise QBs because they are young and they were star QBs. Taysom is neither. 

     

    I never said I've seen what Hill can do. But at the same time if you criticize me for saying he wont be good even though we havent seen him, doesnt that mean the people who say he is a franchise guy even though they havent seen him should be criticized as well?

     Give me a guy who has had been with the team for years and actually has some experience + learning from one of the GOATs in the game + one of the best offensive coaches in the league over an unproven star college qb. 

     

    And I agree that the ppl saying he is a franchise qb should be criticized, they have no clue either. I’m going with the franchise’s decision since they obviously know what they’re doing or have an idea on Hill’s future potential. 

     Chefs understand food better than I do. I still know when something tastes bad.

     Is this guru?

     Good one.

     Serious question. Assuming you know more than the saints franchise regarding hill is pretty ridiculous 

     Yes. I have an opinion on a player. Damn I'm ridiculous. Only people within the organization can have opinions on players. What a fool i am for thinking for myself.

     Thing is, I don't think you have watched near as many Saints games as I have. It'd be like me really trying to school you on the Chiefs. I can have some type of opinion, but if I can't back it with some stats, I have to end up deferring.  I just haven't seen enough games to make consistent judgments.

     

    In this case I've seen what Taysom can do for a couple of years. I see the fire and intensity he brings to the team. I've seen him make reads and play extremely well in preseason. I see the raves from other players and the coaching staff. That's why I am confident he has a future. May not be a very long future. But if we can get a good five-six years from him I'll take it.

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    But I also dont believe the team will choose him. I seriously doubt Payton views Taysom as a franchise guy. He views him as what he is; a gadget player. 

     

    Taysom said he wants to get paid like a franchise QB. I 100$ believe Payton would rather draft a rookie to develop than pay Taysom a franchise player type contract.

     He's a restricted free agent. Saints can tag him with a 1st round tender for 4.5 mil. If another team signs him to a franchise type contract, the Saints let him walk and get a 1st round pick. I'll take that for a former Undrafted Free Agent castoff from another team. 

     

    If, after this year, the Saints see enough to sign him longer term at a decent contract, then so be it.

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    Sanu shouldnt be a QB. That's my point. 

     

    Those guys are going to be the future because they were star QBs and they're young.

     

    Who knows, maybe Taysom will be good, but I dont think so. Turning your franchise over to a 31 year old QB with little experience and 13 career passes sounds pretty foolish to me.

    Tom Brady wasn't a star QB in college.

     

    Steve Young wasn't young when he took over in SF.

     

    Don't know why you have so much hate for the dude. The Saints just flat can NOT afford to keep Teddy and Drew. So there is zero hope there, besides the obvious Teddy drawbacks. Taysom can be had for much cheaper (first round tender around 4.5 mil). Gives the Saints a year to truly see what Taysom has and if he's nothing worth anything, no issue. They go on to the draft next year, which will be their first full draft in a while (as of right now at least).

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    Mohamed Sanu has more completions and yards than Taysom. Wonder why he isnt being called a franchise QB

     Mohamed Sanu has a better passer rating than Patrick Mahomes. Send Mahomes to the bench!

     

    Totally ridiculous line of argument. I'd expect better from you Colton.

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    I'm holding it against the people who think he is a franchise QB. This dude threw 13 passes and now hes a guy that can win a SB?

     

    Give me Teddy all day. Saints are contenders with Teddy. Saints are a top 15 pick with Taysom.

     Yes. You know how many passes Joe Burrow or Tua have thrown in the NFL? 0. Yet they'll be considered the saviors of their team.  How many passes did Tom Brady have prior to Bledoe's injury? 3 his first season?  I mean the list goes on and on. You can have check down Teddy all day. Look at his stats. He's a good game manager, and that is IT. He'll never bring a team to a Super Bowl unless it's in a role where he throws the ball 15 times a game handing off consistently. He'll give you 2600 yards 15 touchdowns and 4 picks. If that's what you consider a franchise QB have at it.

     

    Taysom has way more upside. admittedly a lower floor as well. But with Sean Payton's creativity and coaching ability, I'd rather roll the dice on that upside.  

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    I dont trust his judgement in this instance. I dont think Jackson's success has anything to do with people showing Taysom love. Steve Young had started at QB before getting the chance with the 49ers. Taysom has thrown 13 passes.

     

    If Payton believed Taysom was the future I think Taysom wouldve started those 5 games. 

     

    Payton is smart. He'll draft a QB to be the future. 

     

     Guess the Saints should hire you as coach and GM then right?  Wink  Jackson's success is just regarding other people's perception. Not coaching staff obviously.

     

    Teddy took more reps at QB because Taysom was splitting time between several positions. Hence Teddy was more prepared.  Teddy is, as I said before, the ultimate best backup you could ask for. 

     

    Got to remember Taysom may be older, but has very few miles on him NFL wise. he's only a 3 year vet. You're holding it against him that he had 13 passes thrown in 3 years when he has Drew Brees in front of him? Teddy would've had fewer than that had Brees not been injured.

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    With Brees back in guessing Teddy will leave. Taysom might get the job now. He'd get it at 31 with 13 career passing attempts.

     Yeah, that seems to be the plan for the Saints. They better hope Brees is healthy because they're not going to overcome an injury to him this time...

     Taysom is a fun player. But he is not a franchise QB. I think its wild that the Saints are even considering it. Who knows maybe he'll surprise people. But I view him as a worse Lamar Jackson when he entered the draft. Jackson got a lot of hate. Taysom is getting love. Man i just dont get it.

     Agree. Definitely not a franchise QB imo. They should just keep using him as they have, as a versatile player who can come in at different positions and mix up the defense. I don’t think he is ready yet to be a starting QB for any team, especially the Saints who are contenders every year. 

     

    Teddy > Taysom

     Teddy is not better than Taysom.  Teddy is the best possible backup you'd want. Great team player, takes no risks, smart with the ball.  But that's not the guy that going to take you to the Super Bowl. Not going to fire up the team to win. He's the guy you have to manage a game for you when you have a dominant run game and defense. 

     

    Teddy has a very defined ceiling. It showed during his one decent year in Minnesota and his five games here. Taysom's ceiling is far higher.  He has the fire needed to do more than just manage a game.

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    With Brees back in guessing Teddy will leave. Taysom might get the job now. He'd get it at 31 with 13 career passing attempts.

     Yeah, that seems to be the plan for the Saints. They better hope Brees is healthy because they're not going to overcome an injury to him this time...

     Taysom is a fun player. But he is not a franchise QB. I think its wild that the Saints are even considering it. Who knows maybe he'll surprise people. But I view him as a worse Lamar Jackson when he entered the draft. Jackson got a lot of hate. Taysom is getting love. Man i just dont get it.

     Jackson is no longer getting hate. And his success has led to some of the Taysom love. Taysom busted his ass to get on the field any way he could (think Kordell Stewart) to prove himself. Seeing how Sean Payton is about QBs, I trust his judgment here. 

     

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    With Brees back in guessing Teddy will leave. Taysom might get the job now. He'd get it at 31 with 13 career passing attempts.

     the saints obviously know more about hill than i do, but i don't see how it would work. 31 years old and with the way he plays? how long do they think he'll last as their starter? 4 years?

     Steve Young started with the 49ers at a similar age. Also, Taysom doesn't have many miles on his body. Think of the punishment someone like Cam Newton has taken by now, hence why he's breaking down. Taysom hasn't had that. 

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    Interesting conversations about Dak and Cousins.

     

    Truth is, on both, is that high contracts are restrictive to team building. The last megadeal QB to win the Super Bowl was Peyton Manning with the Broncos. I will be very curious to see how Mahomes' contract does the Chiefs' future.

     

    THe way these contracts are going for QBs, I'd be tempted to just say screw it and draft a new one every few years. When players want market setting deals, let them go. I think for the most part that's what has kept the Patriots as competitive as they have been, for so long. 

     

    If I were the Cowboys or the Vikings, I wouldn't pay either these market setting deals they want. That's me. The next question of course is, if not Dak or Cousins, Who?  That's the catch-22. For the Cowboys I'd take a good look at somebody like Teddy Bridgewater who you may be able to get at half the price of Dak.  The Vikings have one more guaranteed year for Cousins so he stays this year obviously, but the next year will be the interesting one. I'd say it'd be make or break for him next year.

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    So Saints got #24 pick in the 1st rd. Feels like it's been forever since they had a pick in the 1st Laughing (still think the Davenport trade up was stupid). What do we think they're going to go for? Off player? Def player? Me personally I think they'll go defense. Linebacker or CB. I wouldn't be surprise if they trade down and got more picks down the road. Also wouldn't be surprise if they try to make a play for a QB in the 1st rd. Should be interesting

    I sure feel EXACTLY the same about you regarding Davenport. That selection seriously hurt the team. 

     

    Some people are loving Jordan Love from Utah State to the Saints, which I'm not a fan of. Didn't show me much. More of pundits looking for the next "hot item" in this case, Mahomes. Anyone that reminds them of Mahomes even slightly gets overrated.

     

    Me personally? I'd want a WR in the 1st. It's a glaring need, and there are alot of good options that will be available at that spot. We don't have a 2nd rounder. Take a 3rd round QB, and 4th-7th gets depth picks at OL, CB.

     

    I actually like our LBs. Demario, Craig, Anzalone, and then we have the potential to bring back Klein or Alonso if we want. 

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    I never meant to imply I think he is top 5. I definitely believe he is top 10. Would probably put him top 8 on my rankings.

     Mahomes

    Wilson

    Brees

    Rodgers

    Watson

     

    Also can't forget some guys that are top 10 IF healthy, coming back from injury. Cam, Big Ben, and Stafford.  Then we have Lamar, who if he does like he did last year for a second year (Like Mahomes did), then he deserves to be top 10 as well.  And Dak, IF he does well again this coming year, may be there as well.

     

    I also place Matt Ryan and Kirk Cousins and of course Brady above him as of now.

     

    Then we have the Dak, Wentz, Rivers tier.  That puts this right in the mid tier of QBs. Can win with them, but will they bring you to the Super Bowl?

     

    We can't juggle all these ratings because of one year.  It's why I didn't jump on the Wentz train after one year, or the Lamar train (Might be on next year). Didn't jump on the Mahomes train either (He proved himself quite well). Dak has been in the league now for four years. Has been decent, but not amazing. He is not top 5 level, and barely top 10 until he brings his team to the Super Bowl (especially with all that talent surrounding him).

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