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    Please check out this fan made edit, that gave me chills with "Light of the Seven" playing in the background, would've been EPIC!

     

    https://twitter.com/emiliacIarked/status/1131181511246528513

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    You know, for all those fussing about Bran not interfering.

     

    First, isn't it true that his vision of the future is limited? I've read that somewhere.

     

    But, even if it isn't. He probably understands that divulging anything to happen in the future isn't going to change what happens. The past is set, as is the future, IF he is seeing into that future.

     It was definitely limited before becoming the 3 eyed raven. Once he did, I think it would be a lot clearer. And I understand talking about the future could cause bad things (Dr. Strange anyone?) But in this case knowing the future was the death of thousands wouldn't it be better to at least interfere with it? Divulging what happens in the future is absolutely gonna change what happens. Dr. Strange in Endgame: If I tell you what's gonna happen, it's not gonna happen anymore.

     

    As I said, I agree with the survey, I think he knew.

     But interfering wouldn't necessarily have changed the outcome. I know this is a whole different discussion of time (and we can't compare universes between Marvel and GOT). I think he knew the events would happen no matter what.

     

    Then, there's the whole matter of his kingship. If the events didn't unfold the way they did, he wouldn't necessarily be king (If you believe that future events are changeable). What if he is possessed by the Night King in some way, let the genocide happen and become king, whatever the cost. Interfering would have likely ended up with a different king on the Iron Throne.

     Right. That's definitely possible. Maybe he wanted to be king the whole time? Who knows.

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    Quote from Namtih21 >>

    You know, for all those fussing about Bran not interfering.

     

    First, isn't it true that his vision of the future is limited? I've read that somewhere.

     

    But, even if it isn't. He probably understands that divulging anything to happen in the future isn't going to change what happens. The past is set, as is the future, IF he is seeing into that future.

     It was definitely limited before becoming the 3 eyed raven. Once he did, I think it would be a lot clearer. And I understand talking about the future could cause bad things (Dr. Strange anyone?) But in this case knowing the future was the death of thousands wouldn't it be better to at least interfere with it? Divulging what happens in the future is absolutely gonna change what happens. Dr. Strange in Endgame: If I tell you what's gonna happen, it's not gonna happen anymore.

     

    As I said, I agree with the survey, I think he knew.

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  • posted a message on Game of Thrones - Let's talk about it! (Spoilers)
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     I pity everyone who has feelings of such disappointment and regret from this final season where as all I feel is joy and satisfaction. This show definitely did not do ME wrong. Fully surpassed my expectations. I think that's one of the benefits of not following the social media aspect of the show and the people involved and not knowing anything about the source material.

     

    I went into this show blind and was able to enjoy it as entirely original content because of it.

     Seems like you've got a whole lot of people to pity

    I guess there's just a whole lot of people out there who are hard to please and have unrealistic expectations

     

    Or maybe it actually did suck. 

     

    Reddit's Game of Thrones subreddit has been doing post-episode surveys for the last 3 seasons.

    I would challenge anyone to find a more educated, dedicated, large group of fans from which to conduct a survey. (Don't waste your time looking, there isn't one)

     

    Survey results.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bs2jl7/spoilers_postepisode_survey_results_s8e6_the_iron/

    For Season 8, Episode 6:

    120,744 respondents. 

    Average rating out of 10: 5.5

    For a series finale.

    From fans of the show.

     

    Question 19: In one word, how would you describe this episode?

    Number in square brackets is the average episode score from users who gave this response...

    Click here for full list of answers

    1. Disappointing (11418) [3.6]

    2. Shit (4623) [2.1]

    3. Meh (3460) [5.5]

    4. Satisfying (3123) [8.9]

    5. Amazing (2166) [9.9]

    6. Bittersweet (2157) [8.2]

    7. Bad (2076) [2.7]

    8. Sad (2068) [6.7]

    9. Rushed (1854) [5.4]

    10. Underwhelming (1462) [5.1]

    Only three of those 10 most common fill-in-the-blank responses are positive (this was NOT a multiple choice question)

     

    My personal favorite survey question/responses:

     

    Question 11: What would you name this episode?

    1. A Song of Ice and Fire (3836)

    2. The Wheel (3561)

    3. The Broken (2939)

    4. Shit (2666)

    5. A Dream of Spring (2411)

    6. The End (1977)

    7. The Iron Throne (1258)

    8. Broken (980)

    9. The Broken Wheel (765)

    10. Disappointment (752)

     

    Historical survey results (overall episode rating) by Season/Episode:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bs2jl7/spoilers_postepisode_survey_results_s8e6_the_iron/eoibtat/

    Some very interesting trends there.

     

    So, in summary, if you think the show ended great, and they didn't fck it up, you're in the minority.

    And that's not from "haters"

    That's from fans of the show

     

    RIP GoT

     Hate aside, I really enjoy reading those post episode surveys. I agree with almost all the answers. Bran probably knew what was going to happen to KL and just let it happen, Jon the Queenslayer would be interesting, Jon probably had to kill Dany, Arya and Ned getting tons of votes for favorite Stark, 8.1 for how well shot the episode was is fair because visually it was breathtaking, Emilia and Peter being the best actors applies for the entirity of the season. I think the responses make sense.

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    Bruh lol saw this picture on that EW article, Emilia smiling after death haha, even has the dagger sticking out of her. Laughing

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    Was interested to confirm my memories about hints Dany would turn into the Mad Queen throughout the series, but even I was surprised that I missed a bunch. Some from memory some taken from articles. Interested stuff.

     

    -Season 1: People already touched upon her calm reaction to her brother's death in season 1.

     

    -Season 2: Dany's Red Keep vision about the Ash falling in King's Landing, after many thought it was snow.

     

    -Season 2: "In the same season she also literally declares, “When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!”

     

    -Dany's hair in the 2nd to last episode was a major hint and throwback to when Aerys went mad and stopped taking care of his hair and nails. 

     

     

    -Season 4: Crucifixion of the Masters, going against Ser Barristan's opinion to be more merciful. They continued to show this by having one of the children of the slavers (not all were harsh/evil btw) begging for mercy and saying his father was a good man who was against slavery. Also I believe this is where Her Barristan warned Dany of becoming like her Father.

     

    -Season 4: "After Ser Barristan was killed by the terror group Sons of the Harpy. In response, Dany brings three masters to her dragonpit. All swear they have nothing to do with the rogue group. She burns one of them alive to send a message to the others. Was the man guilty? Innocent? We don’t know and Dany didn’t seem to mind not knowing."

     

    -Season 6: Burning all the Khals alive who would not follow her and proclaiming "that they’ll “kill my enemies in their iron suits and tear down their stone houses.”

     

    -Season 7: Of course we have the Tarlys and burning them alive to the shock and dismay of many around her. Poor Sam.

     

    -Season 6: Bran's vision with Dany and her father while he screams "Burn them all!"

     

    -Season 6: Literally look at this quote from her that Tyrion talks her out of doing. 

        "“I will crucify the masters. I will set their fleets afire. I will kill every last one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt. That’s my plan.” That is what happens in the last season to the T. How can you deny that there were no signs of this?

     

    -Season 8: Some could say burning Varys was a sign, but he did deserve it for attempting to kill/poison her. 

     

    -Mad King's hand is a Lannister, Dany's hand is also a Lannister....

     

    -Season 8: The way in which she destroyed King's Landing was basically mixed with her father's plan (igniting the wildfire hidden around the city). Very cool nod to the Mad King.

     

    -Season 2: Quote from Cersei (originally from King Jaehaerys), "“Half the Targaryens went mad, didn’t they? What’s the saying? ‘Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin.’” Hint about Dany's future?

     

    -Season 7: Quote from Olenna Tyrell- "Commoners and nobles are all children really,” she says. “They won’t obey you unless they fear you.”

    Later, Olenna adds, “You’re a dragon. Be a dragon.” -Mad Queen Dany? Sure sounds like it.

     

    -Season 8: In the celebration scene after defeating the NK, Tormund says “What kind of person climbs on a fucking dragon? A madman, or a king!” On the word “madman,” the camera cuts to Dany before returning to Jon for “king.”

     

    -Moreso alluded from the books, but one reason some believed a lot of the Targaryens went mad was because of the incest. Dany is just following in their footsteps by loving Jon.

     

     

     

    Anyways bunch of stuff I've found but I'm sure there are more that i missed. So please stop saying that there were no signs of this during the series.

     +1

     Some of the points you make are valid (the S2 quote being one of them), but also many of the  things you mentioned imo are 1. what any conqueror would say to his/her armies which doesn't mean at all he/she is crazy and 2. things the show wants you to see but that have nothing to do with her actions (Cersei saying this, Tormund saying that, as I posted a vid a couple pages back, foreshadowing isn't character development). 

     

    Listen, this thread looks a lot like pro vs anti Dany arguments at this point, and honestly I don't really think any of us will change the way we've seen her over the past 8 years, show is over so our opinions on her are probably set. I don't know how you or others feel about her character, as I've stated in this thread before, she's personally my favorite, because of her journey and because of her moral ambiguity, the thing that bothers me is the show painted her as this horrible villain almost worse than the Night King,  which is far from what she was for 7 and a half seasons. Daenerys, the character that I enjoyed so much wasn't Superman or Sauron. As I said, some of the points you make are legit exactly because she is this morally ambiguous character that's not simply a hero or a villain. She made mistakes in her journey just like she did great things. My one problem with how they handled her story is in the end, in a span of 2 episodes they portrayed her as another crazy Targaryen tyrant, like her father, and if one thing I can defend is she was so much more than that throughout her journey.

     

    Bottom line is, maybe some of you liked her and thought her character deserved better (what I mean by that is that if she was gonna be the one last "villain" she at least deserved more characer development in that regard) maybe some of you never liked her and just wanted her to become the villain and get killed, maybe some of you liked her before and actually liked her transition to mad queen, I don't know. But this is kinda blowing out of proportion and I don't really see how our opinions about it are gonna change. Whatever you feel about her character, that's cool. 

    After a few days of reflecting on it, I loved the show, I loved Daenerys as a complex character, and I loved that this season Emilia saw the script, all the bad things her character would do and what did she do? She didn't give us a lazy performance because she didn't agree with the ending of her story, she went ahead and gave us her best performance in the entire show this season, she really put her heart on the character and I really thank her for that. Any way we feel about Dany, now that the show is over isn't gonna change. I think we should stop with this argument. Smile

     This is one thing that anyone should be able to agree on. Emilia’s performance this entire season was outstanding. Whatever the writing was, she interpreted it and executed it flawlessly. That scene before her death....wow!

     She did a wonderful job, I hope Peter and Emilia win some awards for their performances this season because they nailed it. Emilia will be listed as lead actress for this season so I'm sure the competition will be harder but she so deserves it. ALso hoping Lena gets a nomination and possible win for Ep. 4, she didn't have a ton of screen time this season but her portrayal of Cersei throughout the show was brilliant, she deserves to get an Emmy for this character.

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    Quote from misk53 >>
    Quote from Da_Rippa808 >>

    Was interested to confirm my memories about hints Dany would turn into the Mad Queen throughout the series, but even I was surprised that I missed a bunch. Some from memory some taken from articles. Interested stuff.

     

    -Season 1: People already touched upon her calm reaction to her brother's death in season 1.

     

    -Season 2: Dany's Red Keep vision about the Ash falling in King's Landing, after many thought it was snow.

     

    -Season 2: "In the same season she also literally declares, “When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!”

     

    -Dany's hair in the 2nd to last episode was a major hint and throwback to when Aerys went mad and stopped taking care of his hair and nails. 

     

     

    -Season 4: Crucifixion of the Masters, going against Ser Barristan's opinion to be more merciful. They continued to show this by having one of the children of the slavers (not all were harsh/evil btw) begging for mercy and saying his father was a good man who was against slavery. Also I believe this is where Her Barristan warned Dany of becoming like her Father.

     

    -Season 4: "After Ser Barristan was killed by the terror group Sons of the Harpy. In response, Dany brings three masters to her dragonpit. All swear they have nothing to do with the rogue group. She burns one of them alive to send a message to the others. Was the man guilty? Innocent? We don’t know and Dany didn’t seem to mind not knowing."

     

    -Season 6: Burning all the Khals alive who would not follow her and proclaiming "that they’ll “kill my enemies in their iron suits and tear down their stone houses.”

     

    -Season 7: Of course we have the Tarlys and burning them alive to the shock and dismay of many around her. Poor Sam.

     

    -Season 6: Bran's vision with Dany and her father while he screams "Burn them all!"

     

    -Season 6: Literally look at this quote from her that Tyrion talks her out of doing. 

        "“I will crucify the masters. I will set their fleets afire. I will kill every last one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt. That’s my plan.” That is what happens in the last season to the T. How can you deny that there were no signs of this?

     

    -Season 8: Some could say burning Varys was a sign, but he did deserve it for attempting to kill/poison her. 

     

    -Mad King's hand is a Lannister, Dany's hand is also a Lannister....

     

    -Season 8: The way in which she destroyed King's Landing was basically mixed with her father's plan (igniting the wildfire hidden around the city). Very cool nod to the Mad King.

     

    -Season 2: Quote from Cersei (originally from King Jaehaerys), "“Half the Targaryens went mad, didn’t they? What’s the saying? ‘Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin.’” Hint about Dany's future?

     

    -Season 7: Quote from Olenna Tyrell- "Commoners and nobles are all children really,” she says. “They won’t obey you unless they fear you.”

    Later, Olenna adds, “You’re a dragon. Be a dragon.” -Mad Queen Dany? Sure sounds like it.

     

    -Season 8: In the celebration scene after defeating the NK, Tormund says “What kind of person climbs on a fucking dragon? A madman, or a king!” On the word “madman,” the camera cuts to Dany before returning to Jon for “king.”

     

    -Moreso alluded from the books, but one reason some believed a lot of the Targaryens went mad was because of the incest. Dany is just following in their footsteps by loving Jon.

     

     

     

    Anyways bunch of stuff I've found but I'm sure there are more that i missed. So please stop saying that there were no signs of this during the series.

     +1

     Some of the points you make are valid (the S2 quote being one of them), but also many of the  things you mentioned imo are 1. what any conqueror would say to his/her armies which doesn't mean at all he/she is crazy and 2. things the show wants you to see but that have nothing to do with her actions (Cersei saying this, Tormund saying that, as I posted a vid a couple pages back, foreshadowing isn't character development). 

     

    Listen, this thread looks a lot like pro vs anti Dany arguments at this point, and honestly I don't really think any of us will change the way we've seen her over the past 8 years, show is over so our opinions on her are probably set. I don't know how you or others feel about her character, as I've stated in this thread before, she's personally my favorite, because of her journey and because of her moral ambiguity, the thing that bothers me is the show painted her as this horrible villain almost worse than the Night King,  which is far from what she was for 7 and a half seasons. Daenerys, the character that I enjoyed so much wasn't Superman or Sauron. As I said, some of the points you make are legit exactly because she is this morally ambiguous character that's not simply a hero or a villain. She made mistakes in her journey just like she did great things. My one problem with how they handled her story is in the end, in a span of 2 episodes they portrayed her as another crazy Targaryen tyrant, like her father, and if one thing I can defend is she was so much more than that throughout her journey.

     

    Bottom line is, maybe some of you liked her and thought her character deserved better (what I mean by that is that if she was gonna be the one last "villain" she at least deserved more characer development in that regard) maybe some of you never liked her and just wanted her to become the villain and get killed, maybe some of you liked her before and actually liked her transition to mad queen, I don't know. But this is kinda blowing out of proportion and I don't really see how our opinions about it are gonna change. Whatever you feel about her character, that's cool. 

    After a few days of reflecting on it, I loved the show, I loved Daenerys as a complex character, and I loved that this season Emilia saw the script, all the bad things her character would do and what did she do? She didn't give us a lazy performance because she didn't agree with the ending of her story, she went ahead and gave us her best performance in the entire show this season, she really put her heart on the character and I really thank her for that. Any way we feel about Dany, now that the show is over isn't gonna change. I think we should stop with this argument. Smile

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    I talked with my buddies yesterday about having a whole season dedicated to the WW war and the final battle between Dany and Cersei.. as cool as it sounds in theory.. I just don't see how you can get 6+ episodes of content out of a single conflict when each episode lasts 1 hour+... You can only film the same characters fighting the same enemies for so long before someone has to win that fight... How would you drag that action out to last an entire season?

     

    Again, I really would suggest thinking about your personal favorite wars, fights, battle scenes, and conflicts from any movie or TV show over the years and think about how much screen time the actual battles got.. most everything is build up and putting characters into the right moment.. after that, the action for those characters only lasts for a matter of minutes. I'd imagine most actual combat on screen in a large scale conflict like this is 20 minutes tops. 

     

    I'm thinking LOTR battles when I consider this thought. Heck, even the super popular Avengers movies.. the action sequences are only around 10-20 minutes long as they swap from character to character.

     

    I could see that adding an additional episode or two tops... But not a whole extra season. 

     It doesn't have to be all battle, firstly I think with all they talked about the great war, the AotD should've won ROund 1, NK dead 60 minutes after laying foot on Winterfell? Surrounded by thousands of walkers and wights and Arya get through all of them? They could've gotten at least 5 or 6 episodes about the NK.

     

    Two, Dany's downfall to mad queen could've been executed sooo much better and played out for many more episodes. I just read this on Reddit

     

    "

    Dany takes King's Landing without burning it, but the Dothraki do what Dothraki do - they rape and pillage. Dany proves unable to properly control them in battle against a city. Word spreads about Cersei's fall but the Houses of Westeros don't bend the knee. Like Randall Tarly, they won't bow to someone who came over with an army of savages and slave soldiers. With the Tyrells and Sand Snakes gone, her only support is from the North and the Vale (and they could easily have the Vale be unsure of the situation). The new Prince of Dorne doesn't want to get involved given the chaos following Joffrey's wedding for their Kingdom.

    Unlike Essos where she had the love of the slave majority, she is hated by the common folk of Westeros. They hate her for the Dothraki, and are rioting in the streets like they did with Joffrey/Cersei. The new High Septon, appointed back in Old Town know that the Red Priests are supporting her, and so they also tell the people not to trust her. The common folk are starving because the war has devastated food supplies and Winter has set in. To make things worse, Drogon (& Rhaegal preferably) basically roam Westeros unopposed to feast on whatever livestock they find.

    She tries but unlike in Essos, everyone blames her. She becomes more militant and controlling as she realizes the people of Westeros will never love her. She starts executing people and King's Landing is under military rule by the unsullied. This is when Varys starts getting concerned and starts spreading Jon's parentage. He conspires against her and in secret notifies the opposing Lord's to an alternative - the rightful heir. The other Lords are propping up Jon even though he is on her side. She decides to imprison him, because its the only thing she really can even though he hasn't betrayed her. Like it was said, once its out it doesn't matter if he wants it or not. He will be a symbol against her.

    And of course, imprisoning him pisses off the North and Vale, who leave Dany. So she doesn't have any support other than what she brought with her. Goes more into the deep-end and then goes full Mad Queen. Does something like burn the Reach and the continents food supply with it. Starts seeing enemies everywhere and having them executed, even her own supporters for mistakes. She banishes Missandei or Grey Worm.

    Meanwhile, even if you still wanted to end with Bran on the throne you can have him be central to the houses rebelling against her. Bran is the ultimate Master of Whispers so he can play a big role and actually be set up."

     

     

    Tell me that's not a much better way of telling Dany's mad queen downfall. Not some bells and "ah she was always like her father bullshit" we got.

     That sounds enjoyable enough. Who would eventually defeat and kill Dany at that point tho if Jon's imprisoned and all her closest advisors are banished or gone? How do they handle the remaining dragon(s)?

     

    I still disagree with the NK tho. Don't see how you get 6 episodes out of him. What does he do? He just runs through everyone? How does that last 6 episodes? How does every main character who opposes him not die in the process? And if the main characters don't oppose him for storytelling sake ... Then what exactly are you filming at that point?

     

    My overall point is that the best battles don't last a long time in film and tv... It's everything that leads up to the character scenes that make the impact. Where the NK is involved he doesn't speak, so there's no dialogue to witness, nothing to carry an episode. He walks a linear path to Bran and kills everything in the way. You can't toss main characters in front of them because logically they'd all die, and then what?

     

    I think one extra episode for the NK would have been perfect. Show him doing some badass shit on the battlefield and maybe sacrifice one beloved main character who's good at fighting to show the NKs dominance before he reaches Bran and everything that happens after that.

     Two episodes buildup similar to what we got in Ep 1 and 2, then a great battle (Battle of Winterfell was underwhelming af, especially since they compared it to Helm's Deep) they could lose that battle, re-group in the 4th episode think of a better strategy then another battle in Ep 5 or 6, I don't think you can't get 6 episodes of the NK, him dying in the first battle without killing off any major characters himself made him one of the most disappointing villains ever.

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