Autographed AP jersey and ball signed by Viktor the mascot and Jerick McKinnon
The jersey hangs in my living room framed now
Also got Paul Krause's autograph t the Vikes-Texans game last year, but didn't have anything for him to sign beyond the little card things they had there:
that's a sweet signature on the jersey! do you have it displayed?
That is a amazing Signature, of Paul Krause, who cares if you only have the card. If your not looking for monetary value and just to have it. I'll take a Autograph on a Subway Napkin.
Autographed AP jersey and ball signed by Viktor the mascot and Jerick McKinnon
The jersey hangs in my living room framed now
Also got Paul Krause's autograph t the Vikes-Texans game last year, but didn't have anything for him to sign beyond the little card things they had there:
that's a sweet signature on the jersey! do you have it displayed?
Yup the jersey is framed and has hung in the living room since he signed it a couple years ago
That is a amazing Signature, of Paul Krause, who cares if you only have the card. If your not looking for monetary value and just to have it. I'll take a Autograph on a Subway Napkin.
Yea, definitely don't care about value. He's one of my all times faves from Viking history. I was so excited when I saw he was there before the game
Don't really collect anymore (will occasionally buy a cheap Nashville Predators auto or game used item if I find it, but that's really rare) but back in the late 90's through around 2009, I was really into collecting. I still have binders full of cards stashed at my parents house that I will probably never do anything with except show them to my son if he ever has any interest in sports cards. Back in 2007, I was a huge Brady Quinn collector (big Notre Dame fan) so I was excited when he went pro as he would now have cards I could collect. I was only 17 at the time, so just worked a part time job and still lived at home. Every single dollar I got from my job went to Brady Quinn cards I needed. I bought everything from jersey cards, to rookie cards, to autos, to mini jerseys. At the time, I just wanted to collect as much as I could, but I had assumed he would actually amount to something so even if I decided to stop collecting, I could possibly make money in the process.
Fast forward to around 2013. I have been moved out of my parents house for about 2 years, I hadn't bought any sports cards or collectibles in at least 3-4 years, I"m still holding out hope that Quinn can do something in the NFL (he would later retire the next season) and I have this well over 1k collection that is next to worthless. I still have most of those cards today. I have sold a few of them on eBay to other Brows and/or Notre Dame collectors, but I still probably have 80% of what I had before he became a complete bust. I will still hang onto a few of them just for sentimental value as he is still my favorite ND player of all time, but it sucks how much money I wasted on these trying to chase a collection of a guy that would flame out in just 5 or so years.
That is a amazing Signature, of Paul Krause, who cares if you only have the card. If your not looking for monetary value and just to have it. I'll take a Autograph on a Subway Napkin.
Don't really collect anymore (will occasionally buy a cheap Nashville Predators auto or game used item if I find it, but that's really rare) but back in the late 90's through around 2009, I was really into collecting. I still have binders full of cards stashed at my parents house that I will probably never do anything with except show them to my son if he ever has any interest in sports cards. Back in 2007, I was a huge Brady Quinn collector (big Notre Dame fan) so I was excited when he went pro as he would now have cards I could collect. I was only 17 at the time, so just worked a part time job and still lived at home. Every single dollar I got from my job went to Brady Quinn cards I needed. I bought everything from jersey cards, to rookie cards, to autos, to mini jerseys. At the time, I just wanted to collect as much as I could, but I had assumed he would actually amount to something so even if I decided to stop collecting, I could possibly make money in the process.
Fast forward to around 2013. I have been moved out of my parents house for about 2 years, I hadn't bought any sports cards or collectibles in at least 3-4 years, I"m still holding out hope that Quinn can do something in the NFL (he would later retire the next season) and I have this well over 1k collection that is next to worthless. I still have most of those cards today. I have sold a few of them on eBay to other Brows and/or Notre Dame collectors, but I still probably have 80% of what I had before he became a complete bust. I will still hang onto a few of them just for sentimental value as he is still my favorite ND player of all time, but it sucks how much money I wasted on these trying to chase a collection of a guy that would flame out in just 5 or so years.
Here's what's remaining of the collection:
I actually have a few of those Game worn jersey cards sitting around, Yeah I agree I think if Brady Quinn went to a better coached/managed team he would have became something. But the Cleveland Browns are QB killers. Same with Johnny Football. His stuff isn't worth the cardboard its printed on after his antics.But some of those authentic cards are really nice kindy sexy appeal.
But this is what the main hobby is about, I mean I get it I make money off it, Still take losses in the modern day market. as it fluctuates so bad. But Theres just somethings that have just value to me, Like the Andre Rison card, and the 1990 1991 Pro sets I mentioned in my introduction post. Both had huge values in the mid 90s. but are dead in the water now. Every one who wants to complete that set has, Or has a sealed box of it. for less than 10 dollars.
I started to collect hockey cards when I was 7. I was already really into hockey and my dad showed me a bunch of his old cards. I don't know why but I thought they we're pretty cool. Maybe 2 weeks or so after someone in my class brought hockey cards to school. I t was the last school day before christmas and we we're allowed to bring toys to school. Lots of kids got interested and next thing you know when we we're back to school plenty of kids brought cards and started their own collection. I began to do some tasks, shovel alleys and garage entries with a classmate to afford buying packs and cards a the local hobby shop. WHen we we,re 13 we got a part-time job (referring hockey) and hockey cards was one fo the reasons why.
Meanwhile at school we started to trade cards and not too long after almost everyone in our grade was collecting hockey cards. Each couple months there was a type of cards that we're trendy in our elementary school. We never spent too much time collecting the same sets or types of cards. First set I collected was o-pee-chee then mvps, moved to the UD youngs guns for a while and in grade 6 ice cards and memoriabilia was trendy. Hockey cards was the trend at our elementary school up to grade 6 (it stops at grade 6 and not 5 up here) except for grade 4 when pokemon cards replaced them but hockey cards we,re back at the top in grade 5.
Now it's been 1 year that I havn't bought hockey cards. The first turnoff factor was upper deck getting the monopoly. Then few months after the candian dollar plumetted and the local card store closed. The other nearby hobbyshop was quite close and the service unfriendly. Prices we're high because of the low canadian dollar. Lots of people I knew from my elementary stopped collecting then (that was 1 and a half year after we graduated grade 6). My friend who was shoveling and reffing with me and I continued to be in the hobby for a good 1 year then we both stopped. We're still reffering now at least . I guess we just passed through that collecting period. Today I know only 2 people from my elementary who are still collecting actively.
When we stopped we shared a decent collection of every card types with few valuable rookies cards like rc o-pee-chee mario lemieux, ken dryden, jari kurri, jonathan drouin and pk subban sig rookie. Had also a fair collection of young guns. One of the things I liked collecting most with memoriabilia cards like nets, ice, pucks, gloves, tape, etc. and our bobby hull cards collection. This thread reminds me of how fun it was and now I kinda want to give it a try. I'll prob pass by the hockey cards hobby shop this week and rip some packs just for fun.
is there a card that still eludes you till this day?
what was your favorite set to collect?
do you feel Ebay and the internet has hurt or helped the hobby?
1. In my first post that Jim Brown card. its 1 of 1000 from the 90s circa, Its his first autographed card, and its hard to find I only saw one in real life and it wasn't for sale.
2. Stadium Club, I loved the appearance of those cards
3. Ebay has helped and hurt, I sell a lot on Ebay and a few other sites. I usually scour craigslist/FB groups, for lot sales. COMC is a great site less fee frenzied than Ebay, You pay up front but they do all the work for you, scan in cards. list them store them ship them for you. Its also fee based but its a great site for "traders" as they will middleman trades kinda like the TMM's of Muthead.
The reason why I say Ebay helped and hurt similar to amazon, and other sites is It opened up whole other doors to sport card collecting like in my nostalgia story if you wanted cards you had to find a store or shop that sold them. if you didn't have one you were SOL. Walmart and Target carry small selections which are great for people starting out and don't want to spend a lot of money or for kids just getting started. On the flip side. Ebay and the such has hurt some of the local shops sales at first. Now almost every sports card shop has a online store at a list of sites. But as I experienced myself, its harder to get a solid look at a card through a scan. unless the seller openly admits to any kind of damage. Soft corners. edge damage, etc. You are at the mercy of your best judgement. Also easy to get a counterfeit. It shows the dark sides to the hobby that were at one time only perceived as a "myth and speculation theories of the hobby" On the flip side. Its helpful because it opens the market to things that are more sought but kills prices. IE. Tom Brady 2000 his Rookie season, there is limited cards out there other than the base set since he was a late round draft pick. The base cards sell in around 30 to 40 dollars. But no internet and only a few local shops. It could sell for 100 dollars don't like it go somewhere else and try to find it. next shop is 50 miles away. Not exactly a short ride.
On the flip side someone like me who sells on ebay has felt the wrath of displeased buyers, even though you listed everything correctly, but they try and ruin your rep by saying you gave them a junk card. I stopped selling Raw and moved towards Graded for that reason. Example, I had a pile of team sets I listed at a buck a piece with 2 dollars shipping essentially I was only getting about 2.20 after ebays fees. I send in bubble wrappers and penny pouches to prevent any damage, which justifies my shipping fees. and offer a refund if there is a concern. Dude filed a complaint with Ebay and locked me up because he said I didn't give him the item as described. Yet look at my description it listed the Team, The cards the exact #s the set. and what the players names where. Nothing wrong there, Then said about the shipping, I had to spend days back and forth with Ebay to get the whole situation cleared up over 3 dollars.
Then theres trade shows, great place to meet other sellers hobby guys and collectibles. But doing a trade show setup can be a pain, The day off, the time setting up tables, chairs etc. being there to ask questions etc. My oldest son is there with me a lot, and he is a help usually just grabbing cash for card sets or packs that are a easy transaction. But if there is a question to be asked I am the head of that, or negotiations on higher value cards, I also learned if you have "prize possessions" that you have no interest in selling don't take them to a trade show. Even the sign that says DISPLAY ONLY NOT FOR SALE still has someone offering a bid on a card.
see the only thing I love about Ebay and sites of the like are that you have the opportunity to find cards you might never find at a local shop or card show. when i was collecting Jeff Bagwell cards....i was able to find short prints, 1/1's, game used etc....that i most likely would have a tough time finding unless I was in Houston. Ebay helped my collection out in a big way - it most likely would have never grown the way it did by just going to card shows or shops. once in a while you could get a steal on a card if the seller didn't have a good title or maybe just didn't know what he/she had and advertised it wrong.
what i dislike about Ebay.....is that it completely took card shows out of the equation. i'm lucky to find 1 or 2 per year!! back in the day there would be 1 every weekend. i loved looking through the boxes of cards - buying packs/boxes - and interacting with other collectors. ebay took away the "intimacy" of the hobby. you started to become familiar with a lot of the dealers and local card shop owners. they knew what you liked and sometimes would keep a couple of things off to the side for you. it was just so cool.
and online you always have to be wary of getting ripped off. especially if you are going after older cards (not that newer ones can't be fake) and i guess not that you can't get ripped off at a card show either...but there was more to reputation. it meant something. relationships were built. trust.
ehhh i'm just rambling......i just miss the old days!!
once every week! dang there's 2 per year here never been different from when I started collecting hockey cards. thought it was always like that. once per week seems fun lol. Wish I lived during these old days. Ebay was useful at some point but then the canadian dollar plumetted making everything too expensive. Only cards from canada are worth it nowadays and you're almost better buying of hobby shops. The one I use to go closed and there's none nearby except a unfriendly and overpriced one still 6-7 km away. If I want to hop back into the hobby ebay and other internet card sources would be my only options.
is there a card that still eludes you till this day?
what was your favorite set to collect?
do you feel Ebay and the internet has hurt or helped the hobby?
1. In my first post that Jim Brown card. its 1 of 1000 from the 90s circa, Its his first autographed card, and its hard to find I only saw one in real life and it wasn't for sale.
2. Stadium Club, I loved the appearance of those cards
3. Ebay has helped and hurt, I sell a lot on Ebay and a few other sites. I usually scour craigslist/FB groups, for lot sales. COMC is a great site less fee frenzied than Ebay, You pay up front but they do all the work for you, scan in cards. list them store them ship them for you. Its also fee based but its a great site for "traders" as they will middleman trades kinda like the TMM's of Muthead.
The reason why I say Ebay helped and hurt similar to amazon, and other sites is It opened up whole other doors to sport card collecting like in my nostalgia story if you wanted cards you had to find a store or shop that sold them. if you didn't have one you were SOL. Walmart and Target carry small selections which are great for people starting out and don't want to spend a lot of money or for kids just getting started. On the flip side. Ebay and the such has hurt some of the local shops sales at first. Now almost every sports card shop has a online store at a list of sites. But as I experienced myself, its harder to get a solid look at a card through a scan. unless the seller openly admits to any kind of damage. Soft corners. edge damage, etc. You are at the mercy of your best judgement. Also easy to get a counterfeit. It shows the dark sides to the hobby that were at one time only perceived as a "myth and speculation theories of the hobby" On the flip side. Its helpful because it opens the market to things that are more sought but kills prices. IE. Tom Brady 2000 his Rookie season, there is limited cards out there other than the base set since he was a late round draft pick. The base cards sell in around 30 to 40 dollars. But no internet and only a few local shops. It could sell for 100 dollars don't like it go somewhere else and try to find it. next shop is 50 miles away. Not exactly a short ride.
On the flip side someone like me who sells on ebay has felt the wrath of displeased buyers, even though you listed everything correctly, but they try and ruin your rep by saying you gave them a junk card. I stopped selling Raw and moved towards Graded for that reason. Example, I had a pile of team sets I listed at a buck a piece with 2 dollars shipping essentially I was only getting about 2.20 after ebays fees. I send in bubble wrappers and penny pouches to prevent any damage, which justifies my shipping fees. and offer a refund if there is a concern. Dude filed a complaint with Ebay and locked me up because he said I didn't give him the item as described. Yet look at my description it listed the Team, The cards the exact #s the set. and what the players names where. Nothing wrong there, Then said about the shipping, I had to spend days back and forth with Ebay to get the whole situation cleared up over 3 dollars.
Then theres trade shows, great place to meet other sellers hobby guys and collectibles. But doing a trade show setup can be a pain, The day off, the time setting up tables, chairs etc. being there to ask questions etc. My oldest son is there with me a lot, and he is a help usually just grabbing cash for card sets or packs that are a easy transaction. But if there is a question to be asked I am the head of that, or negotiations on higher value cards, I also learned if you have "prize possessions" that you have no interest in selling don't take them to a trade show. Even the sign that says DISPLAY ONLY NOT FOR SALE still has someone offering a bid on a card.
see the only thing I love about Ebay and sites of the like are that you have the opportunity to find cards you might never find at a local shop or card show. when i was collecting Jeff Bagwell cards....i was able to find short prints, 1/1's, game used etc....that i most likely would have a tough time finding unless I was in Houston. Ebay helped my collection out in a big way - it most likely would have never grown the way it did by just going to card shows or shops. once in a while you could get a steal on a card if the seller didn't have a good title or maybe just didn't know what he/she had and advertised it wrong.
what i dislike about Ebay.....is that it completely took card shows out of the equation. i'm lucky to find 1 or 2 per year!! back in the day there would be 1 every weekend. i loved looking through the boxes of cards - buying packs/boxes - and interacting with other collectors. ebay took away the "intimacy" of the hobby. you started to become familiar with a lot of the dealers and local card shop owners. they knew what you liked and sometimes would keep a couple of things off to the side for you. it was just so cool.
and online you always have to be wary of getting ripped off. especially if you are going after older cards (not that newer ones can't be fake) and i guess not that you can't get ripped off at a card show either...but there was more to reputation. it meant something. relationships were built. trust.
ehhh i'm just rambling......i just miss the old days!!
once every week! dang there's 2 per year here never been different from when I started collecting hockey cards. thought it was always like that. once per week seems fun lol. Wish I lived during these old days. Ebay was useful at some point but then the canadian dollar plumetted making everything too expensive. Only cards from canada are worth it nowadays and you're almost better buying of hobby shops. The one I use to go closed and there's none nearby except a unfriendly and overpriced one still 6-7 km away. If I want to hop back into the hobby ebay and other internet card sources would be my only options.
During the 80s and 90s was the huge explosion of trading cards. then Pokémon, Magik the gathering etc. became popular and similar results they exploded. in fact the one shop I used to visit in high school As Pokémon, U Gi Oh and Magik became more popular the Sports cards, the pictures and autographed stuff slowly migrated toward the back of the store and the non sports stuff was the big ticket sellers He advertised that as half of the sports cards packs, team sets, various rookies etc. would grow dust before even getting looked at. He started having firesales just to dump inventory on some valuables I sniped up some nice grabs. Jerry Rice Rookie, Some Dickerson cards Bettis rookies, etc. And even then when I would splurge through my money and have to budget for what cards I wanted 90% of the time, When I came back the things that I was balancing against were still there.
So during the 80s and 90s you had serious shows because the market was huge, everyone was in, everyone was trading buying selling etc. Slowly the decline started people did lose interest. Us kids started growing up and real jobs, and real bills gobbled up baseball cards funding. The newer generation shifted more towards the fantasy cards Pokémon and things like that. having a card show to only have a handful of people show up was just waste of peoples time, and efforts so they started cutting back. Theres still some big ones that offer 2 or 3 good ones per year, and a lot of people still have those loyal vendors. In fact if I am doing a card show, when I eBay stuff I put it on the receipt to let people know where and the days. I don't care if your from Idaho and I'm in PA. I still tell you. One of the biggest killers to the Sports card industry was the MLB Strike of 94 and then the proceeding NHL Lockout that following year, Those of you that are in or near Montreal. The Strike of 94 killed the Expos, and they were World Series contenders that year. Then different strategies came to play as collectors lost interest knowing that the millions of cards they owned were worthless. years and years of tearing wax
I'm going to try and do a weekly segment here about Cards in separate posts. I'll keep a running order, and I am going to try and touch on various things, History, Infamaous things (like the Gretzky-Honus Wagner Deal) how to spot a scam how to look at cards when considering a buy, selling on ebay or other sites. Grading etc. How to negotiate trades.
I had a hunch that those who said that they were huge into Hockey Cards where Canadian Especially when I hear O Pee Chee. that was originally a Canadian company that got migrated with Topps when they almost went bust. I love O Pee Chee cards. especially true Canadian ones, There is some American spin offs through Topps, But because yano America has to always rip something off. I don't bother with them. True O Pee Chee cards have English and French on them (Canadian Law) and were just something I always enjoyed.
is there a card that still eludes you till this day?
what was your favorite set to collect?
do you feel Ebay and the internet has hurt or helped the hobby?
1. In my first post that Jim Brown card. its 1 of 1000 from the 90s circa, Its his first autographed card, and its hard to find I only saw one in real life and it wasn't for sale.
2. Stadium Club, I loved the appearance of those cards
3. Ebay has helped and hurt, I sell a lot on Ebay and a few other sites. I usually scour craigslist/FB groups, for lot sales. COMC is a great site less fee frenzied than Ebay, You pay up front but they do all the work for you, scan in cards. list them store them ship them for you. Its also fee based but its a great site for "traders" as they will middleman trades kinda like the TMM's of Muthead.
The reason why I say Ebay helped and hurt similar to amazon, and other sites is It opened up whole other doors to sport card collecting like in my nostalgia story if you wanted cards you had to find a store or shop that sold them. if you didn't have one you were SOL. Walmart and Target carry small selections which are great for people starting out and don't want to spend a lot of money or for kids just getting started. On the flip side. Ebay and the such has hurt some of the local shops sales at first. Now almost every sports card shop has a online store at a list of sites. But as I experienced myself, its harder to get a solid look at a card through a scan. unless the seller openly admits to any kind of damage. Soft corners. edge damage, etc. You are at the mercy of your best judgement. Also easy to get a counterfeit. It shows the dark sides to the hobby that were at one time only perceived as a "myth and speculation theories of the hobby" On the flip side. Its helpful because it opens the market to things that are more sought but kills prices. IE. Tom Brady 2000 his Rookie season, there is limited cards out there other than the base set since he was a late round draft pick. The base cards sell in around 30 to 40 dollars. But no internet and only a few local shops. It could sell for 100 dollars don't like it go somewhere else and try to find it. next shop is 50 miles away. Not exactly a short ride.
On the flip side someone like me who sells on ebay has felt the wrath of displeased buyers, even though you listed everything correctly, but they try and ruin your rep by saying you gave them a junk card. I stopped selling Raw and moved towards Graded for that reason. Example, I had a pile of team sets I listed at a buck a piece with 2 dollars shipping essentially I was only getting about 2.20 after ebays fees. I send in bubble wrappers and penny pouches to prevent any damage, which justifies my shipping fees. and offer a refund if there is a concern. Dude filed a complaint with Ebay and locked me up because he said I didn't give him the item as described. Yet look at my description it listed the Team, The cards the exact #s the set. and what the players names where. Nothing wrong there, Then said about the shipping, I had to spend days back and forth with Ebay to get the whole situation cleared up over 3 dollars.
Then theres trade shows, great place to meet other sellers hobby guys and collectibles. But doing a trade show setup can be a pain, The day off, the time setting up tables, chairs etc. being there to ask questions etc. My oldest son is there with me a lot, and he is a help usually just grabbing cash for card sets or packs that are a easy transaction. But if there is a question to be asked I am the head of that, or negotiations on higher value cards, I also learned if you have "prize possessions" that you have no interest in selling don't take them to a trade show. Even the sign that says DISPLAY ONLY NOT FOR SALE still has someone offering a bid on a card.
see the only thing I love about Ebay and sites of the like are that you have the opportunity to find cards you might never find at a local shop or card show. when i was collecting Jeff Bagwell cards....i was able to find short prints, 1/1's, game used etc....that i most likely would have a tough time finding unless I was in Houston. Ebay helped my collection out in a big way - it most likely would have never grown the way it did by just going to card shows or shops. once in a while you could get a steal on a card if the seller didn't have a good title or maybe just didn't know what he/she had and advertised it wrong.
what i dislike about Ebay.....is that it completely took card shows out of the equation. i'm lucky to find 1 or 2 per year!! back in the day there would be 1 every weekend. i loved looking through the boxes of cards - buying packs/boxes - and interacting with other collectors. ebay took away the "intimacy" of the hobby. you started to become familiar with a lot of the dealers and local card shop owners. they knew what you liked and sometimes would keep a couple of things off to the side for you. it was just so cool.
and online you always have to be wary of getting ripped off. especially if you are going after older cards (not that newer ones can't be fake) and i guess not that you can't get ripped off at a card show either...but there was more to reputation. it meant something. relationships were built. trust.
ehhh i'm just rambling......i just miss the old days!!
once every week! dang there's 2 per year here never been different from when I started collecting hockey cards. thought it was always like that. once per week seems fun lol. Wish I lived during these old days. Ebay was useful at some point but then the canadian dollar plumetted making everything too expensive. Only cards from canada are worth it nowadays and you're almost better buying of hobby shops. The one I use to go closed and there's none nearby except a unfriendly and overpriced one still 6-7 km away. If I want to hop back into the hobby ebay and other internet card sources would be my only options.
During the 80s and 90s was the huge explosion of trading cards. then Pokémon, Magik the gathering etc. became popular and similar results they exploded. in fact the one shop I used to visit in high school As Pokémon, U Gi Oh and Magik became more popular the Sports cards, the pictures and autographed stuff slowly migrated toward the back of the store and the non sports stuff was the big ticket sellers He advertised that as half of the sports cards packs, team sets, various rookies etc. would grow dust before even getting looked at. He started having firesales just to dump inventory on some valuables I sniped up some nice grabs. Jerry Rice Rookie, Some Dickerson cards Bettis rookies, etc. And even then when I would splurge through my money and have to budget for what cards I wanted 90% of the time, When I came back the things that I was balancing against were still there.
So during the 80s and 90s you had serious shows because the market was huge, everyone was in, everyone was trading buying selling etc. Slowly the decline started people did lose interest. Us kids started growing up and real jobs, and real bills gobbled up baseball cards funding. The newer generation shifted more towards the fantasy cards Pokémon and things like that. having a card show to only have a handful of people show up was just waste of peoples time, and efforts so they started cutting back. Theres still some big ones that offer 2 or 3 good ones per year, and a lot of people still have those loyal vendors. In fact if I am doing a card show, when I eBay stuff I put it on the receipt to let people know where and the days. I don't care if your from Idaho and I'm in PA. I still tell you. One of the biggest killers to the Sports card industry was the MLB Strike of 94 and then the proceeding NHL Lockout that following year, Those of you that are in or near Montreal. The Strike of 94 killed the Expos, and they were World Series contenders that year. Then different strategies came to play as collectors lost interest knowing that the millions of cards they owned were worthless. years and years of tearing wax
I'm going to try and do a weekly segment here about Cards in separate posts. I'll keep a running order, and I am going to try and touch on various things, History, Infamaous things (like the Gretzky-Honus Wagner Deal) how to spot a scam how to look at cards when considering a buy, selling on ebay or other sites. Grading etc. How to negotiate trades.
I had a hunch that those who said that they were huge into Hockey Cards where Canadian Especially when I hear O Pee Chee. that was originally a Canadian company that got migrated with Topps when they almost went bust. I love O Pee Chee cards. especially true Canadian ones, There is some American spin offs through Topps, But because yano America has to always rip something off. I don't bother with them. True O Pee Chee cards have English and French on them (Canadian Law) and were just something I always enjoyed.
you're right - i remember when Pokemon and Magic The Gathering came out....it was HUGE. of course there were still plenty of people who went to the shows for sports cards but they were slowly making there way to the back of the pile. every vendor was tapping into that new market.
i feel it's around that time that companies started introducing the short print cards, game used jerseys and autographs. something to draw people back into the hobby. now I know there were serially numbered cards prior and autographed cards prior....but it became a selling point.
96-97 Flair Showcase i feel was one of the better sets at that time. you had a 90 card set but with 3 different "rows" (versions of each player) so in actuality...it was really a 270 card set. THEN you had the Legacy version of each card that was serially numbered to 150. This was the year of one of the best draft classes....Kobe and Iverson notably...those Legacy versions now.....worth a boat load.
the following year in 97-98 they added another row to the series and the legacy versions were now serial numbered to 100. AND they introduced the exclusive Masterpiece edition!! serially numbered to 1/1 - i can't remember a company offering a 1/1 card prior to this. (i think Ultra jumped on board with this too around the same time) this same year 97-98 i believe was when Upper Deck released a Game Jersey insert. i feel there was a Michael Jordan version that was autographed and serially numbered to 23 but i'll have to check.
so as you can see....in my opinion....they were trying to make the hobby exciting again. imagine pulling one of those monster inserts??? you would be one of a few people in the world who owned that specific card or in the case of the 1/1....the ONLY person. today....the market is completely saturated with 1/1 cards and game used memorabilia. to the point that they aren't worth much nor is it that much of an excitement to pull one unless that is, you pull an MJ, Kobe, Peyton Manning, Derek Jeter (you got my point)
so....what can they do to reinvent the hobby now? i know there are some brands that offer $75+ packs that guarantee a low serial numbered autograph or game used card. that's crazy!! so what's next??
You are correct, during the 80s and 90s it was thought that overproducing was going to help the market, It did companies made millions. As some collectors thought sports cards where actually looking at sports cards as a sound/safe investment. So to speak it was expected to be a safer route vs. Wall Street.
After the mass million runs of common cards ran. Investors soon found out that they were worthless. And fled from the scene. The strike/Lockout of MLB/NHL then gave the market a harsh kick. People who were die hard baseball guys really left the deal. The Sports Card American Tradition almost went completely away just like cigarette cards and companies like Topps, Donruss, Fleer were looking at slowly falling into bankruptcy. People were looking more into the Vintage market, where as the companies already sold them cards and the money was just getting swapped from one collector to another. The answer. Autographs and Limited Print Runs. Still can run thousands of overproduced commons for people to chase the holy grail that 1/25 or 1/1000 autograph.
Bustingwax, as its commonly called as old cards were in wax packets. is generally perceived as a money loser to an investor. I still do it cause its fun. I limit it, because good packs could run in the hundreds for a box of 8, And the new market, is always fluctuating. I'll use this as an example
Larry Johnson, KC Chiefs Running back. I bought up a bunch of his cards as a rookie for less than a dollar, or in packs that I purchased. in 2003 in 2007 he exploded and everyone wanted a Larry Johnson Rookie card. I more than tripled my money on the piles of them that I had to include commons, It cost me probably about 200 dollars in packs to get those cards. but in the end I cashed in on the Larry Johnson hype. Needless to say perfect timing, after injuries, his detrimental conduct and then ultimately getting cut from the KC team after his fallout with HC Todd Haley at the time, he never revived his career. Those cards are worthless, Larry Who?? pretty much unless your a KC fan, or a Penn State fan. You have no idea who he was. Proven factor at the end Dick Vermeil was right. Penn State Running Backs are a bust,
I wasn't doing spreadsheets back then, as I am now, I still have a lot to go through but I am slowly making an inventory of cards based on year and brand money spent, income on cards etc. I'm looking to see where my big hits are what my losses are etc. I divided it up even into what I charge per shipping, Fees, Grading, What shipping materials cost me etc. Once I get back into full swing I have been considering having some Giveaways. But I got a ways to go yet.
A Sampling of some of the Jerseys I have in my collection. The last two pictures are my Halloween Costume for Halloween Parties at College. I walk around with a sign that says "Will play football for beer." and a Football.
I also Have a Fiftieth Anniversary Vikings Favre Jersey, Bradford, and Color Rush Harrison Smith.
That's awesome,, my favorite is the Manziel one, I would go and have it screen printed your design, lol. I have a friend who does screen printing and since it wouldn't technically be copyright infringement, Its game.
naturally I'm talking retail instead of resale. Resale some of the biggest ones are 86-87 Star Basketball/Fleer Basketball. People looking for the holy grail MJ rookie, 84 Topps Football. The rookie class Marino Elway, etc. 79 80 Hockey - Wayne Gretzky rookie.
naturally I'm talking retail instead of resale. Resale some of the biggest ones are 86-87 Star Basketball/Fleer Basketball. People looking for the holy grail MJ rookie, 84 Topps Football. The rookie class Marino Elway, etc. 79 80 Hockey - Wayne Gretzky rookie.
i could think of 100 other things that i'd rather spend 22K on!!
naturally I'm talking retail instead of resale. Resale some of the biggest ones are 86-87 Star Basketball/Fleer Basketball. People looking for the holy grail MJ rookie, 84 Topps Football. The rookie class Marino Elway, etc. 79 80 Hockey - Wayne Gretzky rookie.
i could think of 100 other things that i'd rather spend 22K on!!
The people who do buy them are the "elite" where they probably open up the spare change holder in their cars and that covers the cost. If not throw the rolex on top. Normal everydays don't go after things like that. And honestly they are a hard sell.
naturally I'm talking retail instead of resale. Resale some of the biggest ones are 86-87 Star Basketball/Fleer Basketball. People looking for the holy grail MJ rookie, 84 Topps Football. The rookie class Marino Elway, etc. 79 80 Hockey - Wayne Gretzky rookie.
i could think of 100 other things that i'd rather spend 22K on!!
The people who do buy them are the "elite" where they probably open up the spare change holder in their cars and that covers the cost. If not throw the rolex on top. Normal everydays don't go after things like that. And honestly they are a hard sell.
the writer of the article said that when he went to the website they were "out of stock"
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That is a amazing Signature, of Paul Krause, who cares if you only have the card. If your not looking for monetary value and just to have it. I'll take a Autograph on a Subway Napkin.
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Don't really collect anymore (will occasionally buy a cheap Nashville Predators auto or game used item if I find it, but that's really rare) but back in the late 90's through around 2009, I was really into collecting. I still have binders full of cards stashed at my parents house that I will probably never do anything with except show them to my son if he ever has any interest in sports cards. Back in 2007, I was a huge Brady Quinn collector (big Notre Dame fan) so I was excited when he went pro as he would now have cards I could collect. I was only 17 at the time, so just worked a part time job and still lived at home. Every single dollar I got from my job went to Brady Quinn cards I needed. I bought everything from jersey cards, to rookie cards, to autos, to mini jerseys. At the time, I just wanted to collect as much as I could, but I had assumed he would actually amount to something so even if I decided to stop collecting, I could possibly make money in the process.
Fast forward to around 2013. I have been moved out of my parents house for about 2 years, I hadn't bought any sports cards or collectibles in at least 3-4 years, I"m still holding out hope that Quinn can do something in the NFL (he would later retire the next season) and I have this well over 1k collection that is next to worthless. I still have most of those cards today. I have sold a few of them on eBay to other Brows and/or Notre Dame collectors, but I still probably have 80% of what I had before he became a complete bust. I will still hang onto a few of them just for sentimental value as he is still my favorite ND player of all time, but it sucks how much money I wasted on these trying to chase a collection of a guy that would flame out in just 5 or so years.
Here's what's remaining of the collection:
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I started to collect hockey cards when I was 7. I was already really into hockey and my dad showed me a bunch of his old cards. I don't know why but I thought they we're pretty cool. Maybe 2 weeks or so after someone in my class brought hockey cards to school. I t was the last school day before christmas and we we're allowed to bring toys to school. Lots of kids got interested and next thing you know when we we're back to school plenty of kids brought cards and started their own collection. I began to do some tasks, shovel alleys and garage entries with a classmate to afford buying packs and cards a the local hobby shop. WHen we we,re 13 we got a part-time job (referring hockey) and hockey cards was one fo the reasons why.
Meanwhile at school we started to trade cards and not too long after almost everyone in our grade was collecting hockey cards. Each couple months there was a type of cards that we're trendy in our elementary school. We never spent too much time collecting the same sets or types of cards. First set I collected was o-pee-chee then mvps, moved to the UD youngs guns for a while and in grade 6 ice cards and memoriabilia was trendy. Hockey cards was the trend at our elementary school up to grade 6 (it stops at grade 6 and not 5 up here) except for grade 4 when pokemon cards replaced them but hockey cards we,re back at the top in grade 5.
Now it's been 1 year that I havn't bought hockey cards. The first turnoff factor was upper deck getting the monopoly. Then few months after the candian dollar plumetted and the local card store closed. The other nearby hobbyshop was quite close and the service unfriendly. Prices we're high because of the low canadian dollar. Lots of people I knew from my elementary stopped collecting then (that was 1 and a half year after we graduated grade 6). My friend who was shoveling and reffing with me and I continued to be in the hobby for a good 1 year then we both stopped. We're still reffering now at least
. I guess we just passed through that collecting period. Today I know only 2 people from my elementary who are still collecting actively.
When we stopped we shared a decent collection of every card types with few valuable rookies cards like rc o-pee-chee mario lemieux, ken dryden, jari kurri, jonathan drouin and pk subban sig rookie. Had also a fair collection of young guns. One of the things I liked collecting most with memoriabilia cards like nets, ice, pucks, gloves, tape, etc. and our bobby hull cards collection. This thread reminds me of how fun it was and now I kinda want to give it a try. I'll prob pass by the hockey cards hobby shop this week and rip some packs just for fun.
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I think my first autograph was a Rollie Fingers autographed baseball I picked up at a convention my parents brought me to.
All I know is I had enough money for it and thought it was a good deal. (What did heck did I know? I was a kid.)
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You are correct, during the 80s and 90s it was thought that overproducing was going to help the market, It did companies made millions. As some collectors thought sports cards where actually looking at sports cards as a sound/safe investment. So to speak it was expected to be a safer route vs. Wall Street.
After the mass million runs of common cards ran. Investors soon found out that they were worthless. And fled from the scene. The strike/Lockout of MLB/NHL then gave the market a harsh kick. People who were die hard baseball guys really left the deal. The Sports Card American Tradition almost went completely away just like cigarette cards and companies like Topps, Donruss, Fleer were looking at slowly falling into bankruptcy. People were looking more into the Vintage market, where as the companies already sold them cards and the money was just getting swapped from one collector to another. The answer. Autographs and Limited Print Runs. Still can run thousands of overproduced commons for people to chase the holy grail that 1/25 or 1/1000 autograph.
Bustingwax, as its commonly called as old cards were in wax packets. is generally perceived as a money loser to an investor. I still do it cause its fun. I limit it, because good packs could run in the hundreds for a box of 8, And the new market, is always fluctuating. I'll use this as an example
Larry Johnson, KC Chiefs Running back. I bought up a bunch of his cards as a rookie for less than a dollar, or in packs that I purchased. in 2003 in 2007 he exploded and everyone wanted a Larry Johnson Rookie card. I more than tripled my money on the piles of them that I had to include commons, It cost me probably about 200 dollars in packs to get those cards. but in the end I cashed in on the Larry Johnson hype. Needless to say perfect timing, after injuries, his detrimental conduct and then ultimately getting cut from the KC team after his fallout with HC Todd Haley at the time, he never revived his career. Those cards are worthless, Larry Who?? pretty much unless your a KC fan, or a Penn State fan. You have no idea who he was. Proven factor at the end Dick Vermeil was right. Penn State Running Backs are a bust,
I wasn't doing spreadsheets back then, as I am now, I still have a lot to go through but I am slowly making an inventory of cards based on year and brand money spent, income on cards etc. I'm looking to see where my big hits are what my losses are etc. I divided it up even into what I charge per shipping, Fees, Grading, What shipping materials cost me etc. Once I get back into full swing I have been considering having some Giveaways. But I got a ways to go yet.
what is the most expensive pack to ever hit the market?
A Sampling of some of the Jerseys I have in my collection. The last two pictures are my Halloween Costume for Halloween Parties at College. I walk around with a sign that says "Will play football for beer." and a Football.
I also Have a Fiftieth Anniversary Vikings Favre Jersey, Bradford, and Color Rush Harrison Smith.
That's awesome,, my favorite is the Manziel one, I would go and have it screen printed your design, lol. I have a friend who does screen printing and since it wouldn't technically be copyright infringement, Its game.
Plus then the gag is year round!!